[LSJ] Restricted Vitae

Under Restricted Vitae, is the blood stealing action considered a hunt action (thus allowing Hesha's special, Foul Blood, Feeding Razor, Unlicensed Taxicab, Hospital Food, Inbase Discotek, Sunset Strip, Anarch Free Press, etc... to be used) ? thanx in advance for your help, JPh

"Jippi" <J...@NOSPAM.at> wrote in message news:410133c5$0$8840$3b21...@aconews.univie.ac.at... > Under Restricted Vitae, is the blood stealing action considered a hunt > action (thus allowing Hesha's special, Foul Blood, Feeding Razor, Unlicensed > Taxicab, Hospital Food, Inbase Discotek, Sunset Strip, Anarch Free Press, > etc... to be used) ? Also since it is a card in play does it prevent a vampire from taking multiple hunt actions per turn as per NRA? -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

"Jippi" <J...@NOSPAM.at> wrote in message news:410133c5$0$8840$3b21...@aconews.univie.ac.at... > Under Restricted Vitae, is the blood stealing action considered a hunt > action (thus allowing Hesha's special, Foul Blood, Feeding Razor, Unlicensed > Taxicab, Hospital Food, Inbase Discotek, Sunset Strip, Anarch Free Press, > etc... to be used) ? Card text: "may hunt by stealing a blood" -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"XZealot" <nbr...@rapidretailsolutions.com> wrote in message news:2mctr5F...@uni-berlin.de... > > "Jippi" <J...@NOSPAM.at> wrote in message > news:410133c5$0$8840$3b21...@aconews.univie.ac.at... > > Under Restricted Vitae, is the blood stealing action considered a hunt > > action (thus allowing Hesha's special, Foul Blood, Feeding Razor, > Unlicensed > > Taxicab, Hospital Food, Inbase Discotek, Sunset Strip, Anarch Free Press, > > etc... to be used) ? > > Also since it is a card in play does it prevent a vampire from taking > multiple hunt actions per turn as per NRA? Card text: "MAY hunt by stealing a blood" (emphasis added). Yes, it is a card in play. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message de news:2mcuc6F...@uni-berlin.de... > "Jippi" <J...@NOSPAM.at> wrote in message news:410133c5$0$8840$3b21...@aconews.univie.ac.at... > > Under Restricted Vitae, is the blood stealing action considered a hunt > > action (thus allowing Hesha's special, Foul Blood, Feeding Razor, Unlicensed > > Taxicab, Hospital Food, Inbase Discotek, Sunset Strip, Anarch Free Press, > > etc... to be used) ? > > > Card text: "may hunt by stealing a blood" is it so difficult to just add the words "yes, it is a hunt action" ? you're trying to maximise the lifespan of your keyboard or what ??

"Reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4101543f$0$28742$79c1...@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net... > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message de > > Card text: "may hunt by stealing a blood" > > is it so difficult to just add the words "yes, it is a hunt action" ? The card text quoted answers the question directly. Why be superfluous and answer it twice in the same post? What was unclear about the response? [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:2md5i6F...@uni-berlin.de... > "Reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4101543f$0$28742$79c1...@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net... > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message de > > > Card text: "may hunt by stealing a blood" > > > > is it so difficult to just add the words "yes, it is a hunt action" ? > > The card text quoted answers the question directly. > Why be superfluous and answer it twice in the same post? > What was unclear about the response? "may hunt by stealing a blood" A blood could mean a single blood - at least to those of us not completely familiar with English - the argument goes something like that if the intent was to allow more than one blood to be stolen in this alternative hunt action the card text would simply be "may hunt by stealing blood" Btw since the Inbase Discotek, Frankfurt was included in the original question your answer puzzles me as its card text clearly indicates that the extra blood comes from the blood bank "Tap to give a vampire who successfully hunts an additional blood from the blood bank. (Ignore excess blood.)" Could you confirm your ruling for the Inbase please? Frederik

Hey LSJ, As I have also experienced some periodic difficulty understanding your concise and precise language, I will try to answer your questions. > The card text quoted answers the question directly. > Why be superfluous and answer it twice in the same post? You could have assumed that the question-asker was already aware of the card text and pondered it, yet somehow still managed to have the question about whether or not it was truly a hunt action. I realize such a possibility may seem unlikely to you, but often people can misunderstand even the most obvious text. Also, maybe the player was 90% sure it was a hunt action, but just wanted definite confirmation. I remember a story about Richard Garfield playtesting Magic; one player came up to him and said, "I found the best card in the game - it lets me win in one turn!" Garfield thinks about it and can't understand what the player is talking about. He asks, "What does the card say?" The player responds, "Opponent loses next turn." > What was unclear about the response? If the question-asker was already aware of the card text and pondered it, repeating the card text provides less illumination than directly answering the question, "is this considered a hunt action?" If you were really feeling generous, you could answer the question directly ("Yes."), post the card text, and comment that the keyword "hunt" means that it's a hunt action. In human communication, we repeat ourselves all the time, saying the same thing in different ways. That's just the way we absorb information. I think really smart people need things repeated less before they understand it. Then again, I understand your intention in simply repeating card text - it encourages players to truly pay attention to card text, because it does answer most of our questions. Furthermore, I understand that you read and answer hundreds of posts a day, and you can't spoon feed us everything. In fact, I'm regularly amazed at your patience, diligence, and overall excellent performance of your job. It's inspiring, helpful, and makes the game much better. Thank you! Ira

> > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message de > > > Card text: "may hunt by stealing a blood" > What was unclear about the response? Whether the "card text" of Restricted Vitae ("stealing *a* blood" - implying a single blood) or the card text of, say, Aaron's Feeding Razor takes precedence. Restricted Vitae's card text certainly seems to imply that the stealing is indeed still hunting, since they "hunt by" stealing stealing a blood. Thus, the stealing of a single blood would be a successful hunt action, which would trigger the Razor. /That's/ what's unclear about the response. Furthermore, since someone with the feeding razor "gains one additional blood" upon successfully hunting one might legitimately enquire if the target of a Restricted Vitae stealing hunt only loses "a" (single) stolen blood, while the hunter gains an additional blood from the blood bank, or if the target loses two. Assuming, of course, that the bonuses apply at all, about which after reading this thread thus far I am still in the dark. I warned you all about blithely making citations to "card text" before. I think it's awesome that LSJ makes himself available to make rulings like he does, but I also think it's annoying when he (and others) forget that there are legitimate differences in the way "card text" can (a) be interpreted and (b) interacts with other "card text." -Legendre

FC wrote: > "may hunt by stealing a blood" > > A blood could mean a single blood - at least to those of us not > completely familiar with English - the argument goes something > like that if the intent was to allow more than one blood to be stolen > in this alternative hunt action the card text would simply be > > "may hunt by stealing blood" Short answer: AFR allows you to steal two from a vampire. May hunt by stealing _a_ blood is the card text, just like hunting for _a_ blood is the cardless action. Aaron's Feeding Razor's text modifies this card text's effect, just like it modifies the cardless action. (FYI: There's a ruling is that actions that say "may hunt by" are treating as "hunt" actions. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:LSJ+aaron%27s+feeding+razor&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=3FA69AD9.9070906%40white-wolf.com&rnum=1 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:LSJ+kyoko+hunt&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=3EC91699.1090505%40white-wolf.com&rnum=6&filter=0 Beware: this is a reversal of an earlier ruling (on Legacy of Caine), so check dates.) > Btw since the Inbase Discotek, Frankfurt was included in the original > question your answer puzzles me as its card text clearly indicates that > the extra blood comes from the blood bank > > "Tap to give a vampire who successfully hunts an additional blood > from the blood bank. (Ignore excess blood.)" > > Could you confirm your ruling for the Inbase please? The extra blood from Inbase comes from the blood bank, not the target, as per card text. Hospital Food, by contrast, comes from the target because it lacks such card text. --Colin McGuigan

Colin McGuigan wrote: > (FYI: There's a ruling is that actions that say "may hunt by" are > treating as "hunt" actions. That's a clarification. It's like saying that actions that say "may bleed your predator as a (D) action" are treated as bleed actions. [ quoted text not captured ]