Another fun tournament in our usual spot - the IST university in
Lisbon.
Level of play was good and everybody had fun. Once again we had
Eduardo from Coimbra taking his usual eraly train down to the Capital
to join us.
We gave players all the new Promo cards for this year, so everybody
had a little bonus.
List of Players
Teresa Neves - Giovanni Tap N Bleed (her TWD of a few months ago)
Eduardo Mateus - Ventrue Bruise N Bleed feat. Hardestadt
Tiago Brum (me) - Fátima e os 3 Pastorinhos (Fatima Assault w/ Weenie
AUS support)
Ricardo Marta - Tremere
Nuno Moure - Turbo Gehenna (see bellow)
Mário Florindo - Imbued Bleed N Stuff
Bruno Robalo - New Ventrue Law Firm
Edgar Marques - New Malkavian Stealth N Bleed
José Silva - Ravnos DEM Stealth N Bleed
André Catarino - Malk 94
Ricardo Portela - Gangrel G3 Renegade Garou
Eliseu Ângelo - Tupdog Swarm
Prelims:
The non-Finalists:
Besides the 5 Finalists, there were some nice decks that did ok and
helped to make some fun tables.
I played with a Fatima - Assault deck and Bruno Robalo took a new
Ventrue Law Firm that was based on Iñaki Puigdollers's design. The
problems he faced were that he had no bounce, Imbued stoped him in one
round and Fatima and Giovanni killed him in another. Also, that decks
has no meta whatsoever.
José Silva had a new deck that gave him a few VP's: Ravnos DEM Bleed.
Mario Florindo brought one of his Imbued decks and made it to the
Final, but had to drop after the third round.
Another one of our best players, Ricardo Portela brought a Renegade
Garou deck, but that was the wrong kind of ally for that day,
regretfully.
André Catarino brought his Malk94, that put a big target sign on his
forehead and lots of people were playing bounce. Even me.
Same fate for Egdar Marques with a modern crypt Malk Stealth and Bleed
that featured Lutz.
The Finalists:
Nuno's Turbo Gehenna deck proved, as expected, to be demolishing.
Teresa playing our Giovanni Tap N' Bleed that she already won a
tournament with, got to the Final by Mario's drop. He couldn't attend
the Final and thus Teresa got his place.
Ricardo brought a Tremere bleed deck and got an interesting
performance in round 3 that got him a place in the Final.
Eliseu's Tupdog Swarm did specificaly well and TW in the First Round
made him less preassured to play in the other 2 rounds. Eliseu and
Teresa are going to Palma de Maiorca and were looking for the
Qualifying Spot.
Finally Eduardo brought a Hardestadt-based Ventrue bruise/bleed deck
that was way under his usual quality. Still, he got a place in the
Final, to Fatima's dismay, with a couple of combats that took
Hardestadt to torpor, but not enough to kill his Methuselah.
FINAL: Teresa - Eduardo - Ricardo - Eliseu - Nuno
It started by Ricardo proposing to all players to oust Nuno first.
Nuno was his ally, but it was clear to all he was the biggest threat
at the table.
It would only work if all players worked together. They did not.
Teresa went hard for her VP agains Eduardo's Hardestadt. Eduardo was
doing his best deflecting all bleeds he could to Nuno, but since
Teresa never played stealth, her Giovannis were pulp for Imbued.
Secondly she didn't wait for Eduardo to have his Deflections ready, so
she didn't let Eduardo use Hardestadt to rush Imbueds.
Note that at that time Nuno was already with 6 or 7 Events, 4 Mortals
and lots of Convictions. Also a second turn Wormwood was grinding down
every vampire to a small cap.
Eliseu was sending Tupdogs against Nuno, depleeting Convinctions and
coordinating bleeds with Ricardo, Deflecting them to Nuno. But Nuno DI-
ed an On the Qui Vivre and forced Eliseu to take a big bleed from
Ricardo.
Then Ricardo decided to oust Eliseu, thus breaking the last chance of
resistence against the Imbued. He still used two Blood of Sandman
succesfully, but that wasn't enough.
Nuno Moure won the tournament and was the first Portuguese to get a
place at this year's European Championship.
Name Prelim GWs Prelim VPs Final VPs TPs
Nuno Moure 2 7 4 148
Eliseu Ângelo 1 4 0 126
Teresa Neves 1 3 0 96
Ricardo Marta 1 4 1 96
Eduardo Mateus 1 3 0 116
José Silva 0 3 120
Ricardo Portela 0 2 110
André Catarino 0 1 104
Bruno Robalo 0 1 94
Tiago Brum 0 1 84
Edgar Marques 0 0 64
Melkor Florindo 2 7 138
Winning Deck: Turbo Gehenna
Player: Nuno Moure
Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=3 max=6 avg=4.15)
2x François Warden Loehr 3 def jud Judge:4
1x Inez Nurse216 Villagrande 3 inn Innocent:4
1x Jack Hannibal137 Harmon 4 def jud Defender:4
3x Jennie Cassie247 Orne 5 inn jud vis Visionary:4
1x Jennifer Flame61 Vidisania 4 ven vis Avenger:4
3x Leaf Potter116 Pankowski 4 inn red vis Redeemer:4
1x Pedro Cortez 4 mar ven Avenger:4
Library (60 cards)
Master (19)
1x Direct Intervention
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Fortschritt Library
1x Not to Be
3x Powerbase: Los Angeles
1x Sight Beyond Sight
6x Slaughterhouse, The
2x Sudden Reversal
Event (16)
1x Anthelios, The Red Star
1x Blood Trade
1x Blood Weakens
1x Conquest of Humanity
1x Dragonbound
1x New Inquisition, The
1x Nightmares upon Nightmares
1x Recalled to the Founder
1x Restricted Vitae
1x Slow Withering, The
1x Thirst
1x Torpid Blood
1x Unmasking, The
3x Wormwood
Conviction (12)
4x React with Conviction
4x Second Sight
4x Strike with Conviction
Retainer (5)
5x D'habi Revenant
Reaction (8)
8x Bloodstorm of Chorazin
Cheers,
Tiago Brum, Primogen of Domain Lisboa
> Winning Deck: Turbo Gehenna
> Player: Nuno Moure
Congratulations to Nuno!
Sounds like he must have played very well.
> Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=3 max=6 avg=4.15)
> 2x François Warden Loehr 3 def jud Judge:4
> 1x Inez Nurse216 Villagrande 3 inn Innocent:4
> 1x Jack Hannibal137 Harmon 4 def jud Defender:4
> 3x Jennie Cassie247 Orne 5 inn jud vis Visionary:4
> 1x Jennifer Flame61 Vidisania 4 ven vis Avenger:4
> 3x Leaf Potter116 Pankowski 4 inn red vis Redeemer:4
> 1x Pedro Cortez 4 mar ven Avenger:4
No powers at all, interesting, also no combat at all and none of the
cancel action or bounce bleed card.
> Conviction (12)
> 4x React with Conviction
> 4x Second Sight
> 4x Strike with Conviction> Burn Option cards (19)
> 5x D'habi Revenant
> 6x Slaughterhouse, The
> 8x Bloodstorm of Chorazin
I am a bit surprised by this. With only 4 of each Conviction I would
think it would be terribly difficult to have many in play on the
Imbued minions. I'd have gone for quite a few more playable
Convictions and fewer Burn Option cards, but I guess it worked out.
Would love to hear how his other rounds worked out as well.
http://vtes-hunter-net.tripod.com
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Agreed, I would love to hear more about how this deck did. Did the
Events just totally crush the table? I would have thought the build
up time to getting sufficient Events to fuel the Wormwood would leave
this deck vulernable.
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The way he played it, was to have all the Events out as soon as
possible.
No actions whatsoever, untill all vamps were weenies and that came
pretty fast.
His goal was for a second turn Wormwood and from then on, just put 2
Events per turn.
The Convictions he pushed when the Imbueds got up, were enough to star
pumping them with protection, plus the abilities of the imbued were
also very usefull.
4 Imbued got burned in the Final before he got his first VP. No
biggie.
I'll tell to post here his opinions on this.
Cheers,
Tiago
On 17 Juli, 22:43, Brum <tiago.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> His goal was for a second turn Wormwood and from then on, just put 2
> Events per turn.
I'm sorry to say that you can't do that. Even though you have muliple
discard phase actions the rules only allow you o put 1 event into play
each discard phase.
Regards
Alex
On Jul 17, 4:43 pm, Brum <tiago.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> His goal was for a second turn Wormwood and from then on, just put 2
> Events per turn.
Ah. When playing against this deck:
1. Go Anarch
2. Steal that Powerbase.
-Ben Swainbank
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I am surprised to not see more of the Imbued with innate abilities
that would help keep the deck alive, like Maman Boumba (burn a
conviction for 3 votes), Travis Traveler72 Miller (+1 stealth action,
add 2 blood from the blood bank to an uncontrolled Imbued costing 1
conviction), or Xian DziDzat155 Quan (after blocking a monster, if
still ready, may get a conviction from hand or ash heap).
I would think those inherent abilities would be really useful when
everyone else is crippled, as you aren't using any cards requiring
virtues or creeds, the crypt would be very flexible.
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Oh crud. Alex is right, the deck was ill-built and played all along
under the assumption that putting two events in play during a turn was
feasible.
As you can imagine, infalibly checking off two counters from Wormwood
per turn led to this deck practically winning by default on any table
where almost complete opponent coordination was not achieved. This
came to spell victory on two of the preliminary tables (losing the
second table to an Imbued combat deck, largely immune to the former's
plays) and on the final table as well.
As it were, going anarch and stealing the Powerbase is something much
easier said than done, given that the table conditions are always
steadily deteriorating and that you need to get past 4 blockers with
about 2 intercept each. And even then I'm not sure if it would make
that much of a difference, since the deck spews events from turn 1 and
by about turn 3-4 (the earliest opportunity you get to act with a 3-
cap Anarch with stealth) the table will already be littered with them.
Drain
On Jul 17, 4:54 pm, Ben Swainbank <bswainb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ah. When playing against this deck:
>
> 1. Go Anarch
> 2. Steal that Powerbase.
Or force the person playing it to play by the rules.
1.6.4. Event Cards
Event cards are played to represent events that affect the World of
Darkness as a whole. Once each discard phase, a Methuselah may use a
discard phase action to put an event card in play. Each event can only
be played once in a game. An event card is controlled by the
Methuselah who played it, by default.
I'm curious as to what happens with the tournament results now, given
that the tournament winner (inadvertantly) cheated in every round.
John Eno
On Jul 17, 11:31 pm, Johann von Doom <invisibleking...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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A little while ago, there was a TWD with a deck that had vampires from
3 distinct groups and it just went by.
As one of the organisers of the tournament I only feel its bad for the
2 people in the final that already booked a flight and Hotel for Palma
de Maiorca. I don't think Nuno is going, and neither is the 2nd place
player.
Still, it was a fun tournament to play and nobody in the room knew
that one could only play one Event.
Could we qualify someone else from the Final, I wonder?
I don't expect it to be possible, but it would be cool.
Cheers,
Tiago
Johann von Doom wrote:
> On Jul 17, 4:54 pm, Ben Swainbank <bswainb...@hotmail.com> wrote:>> Ah. When playing against this deck:
>>
>> 1. Go Anarch
>> 2. Steal that Powerbase.>
> Or force the person playing it to play by the rules.
>
> 1.6.4. Event Cards
> Event cards are played to represent events that affect the World of
> Darkness as a whole. Once each discard phase, a Methuselah may use a
> discard phase action to put an event card in play. Each event can only
> be played once in a game. An event card is controlled by the
> Methuselah who played it, by default.
>> I'm curious as to what happens with the tournament results now,.
Same as any other tournament in which a misplay occurred and yet was still
judged impartially and played and judged to the best of the players' and judges'
abilities (which is probably the majority of tournaments): the result stands.
On Fri, 17 July 2009 15:41:32 -0700 (PDT), Brum wrote:
>> John Eno wrote this:>> I'm curious as to what happens with the tournament results now, given
>> that the tournament winner (inadvertantly) cheated in every round.
It won't go in the TWDA nor will it be archived on
http://vtes-hunter-net.tripod.com>A little while ago, there was a TWD with a deck that had vampires from
>3 distinct groups and it just went by.
If you can point to one in the TWDA it will immediately be removed.
Carpe noctem.
The Lasombra
http://www.TheLasombra.com
Your best source of V:TES information.
Now also selling boxes and individual cards.
On Jul 17, 3:41 pm, Brum <tiago.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 17, 11:31 pm, Johann von Doom <invisibleking...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 4:54 pm, Ben Swainbank <bswainb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ah. When playing against this deck:
>
> > > 1. Go Anarch
> > > 2. Steal that Powerbase.
>
> > Or force the person playing it to play by the rules.
>
> > 1.6.4. Event Cards
> > Event cards are played to represent events that affect the World of
> > Darkness as a whole. Once each discard phase, a Methuselah may use a
> > discard phase action to put an event card in play. Each event can only
> > be played once in a game. An event card is controlled by the
> > Methuselah who played it, by default.
>
> > I'm curious as to what happens with the tournament results now, given
> > that the tournament winner (inadvertantly) cheated in every round.
>
> > John Eno
>
> A little while ago, there was a TWD with a deck that had vampires from
> 3 distinct groups and it just went by.
I'm still a little sad and bitter about that, because it was one of my
more creative decks. It was Enkidu Brinksmanship with Raptors, and I
had Lubomira in the deck instead of some other weenie group 3-4 obf
vamp. Lubomira didn't come up in any of the three rounds I played, so
it had no effect on the game.
But The Lasombra was strict about it (rightfully so - it's an illegal
deck), it's not in the TWDA, and it doesn't count towards Hall of
Fame.
Of course, I shouldn't feel too bitter, because the only reason I won
was due to an unfortunate math error by Chris. He should have won
instead of me.
Ira
So the organizer plays in his own qualifier event.
Again.
From tournament rules;
1.1. Player Eligibility
Any player is eligible to participate in an open, non-invitational,
V:EKN-sanctioned tournament (for non-open tournaments, see section
9.8) except for the following:
* The tournament organizer of record (unless he or she is
participating in an event that uses the Multi-Judge System; see
section 2.9);
* The head judge and any other listed judges of record (exception:
see section 2.9);
2.9. Multi-Judge System
The Multi-Judge System may be used at any non-qualifier, non-
championship tournament with at least eight participants (i.e., having
at least two tables).
On Jul 18, 10:20 am, Oko <Oko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So the organizer plays in his own qualifier event.
> Again.
Wrong. A Mini Qualifier is a normal constructed event with a "special"
award for the winner. We used multi judge.
From the Rules:
Mini-Qualifiers
Once each calendar year, a Prince may run a Mini-Qualifier - a
tournament where the winner wins a qualifying spot for that year's
Continental Championships. This is in addition to the current
Continental Qualifier system, and does not replace it. Unlike a normal
qualifier, the tournament organizer for this event does not
automatically qualify.
* Event Format
Mini-Qualifiers are constructed deck tournaments. The Mini-
Qualifiers are open to all players.
* Qualifying
The minimum attendance at the Mini-Qualifier in order to award
the qualifying spot is 12 players (minimum possible for 3 tables, and
avoids 11-player events). If the tournament does not get at least 12
players, that Prince may run one more Mini-Qualifier that calendar
year.
The qualifying spot is awarded to the winner of the tournament.
Cheers
On 18 Jul, 00:09, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >A little while ago, there was a TWD with a deck that had vampires from
> >3 distinct groups and it just went by.
>
> If you can point to one in the TWDA it will immediately be removed.
Hi, i think Brum is talking about a tournament held in US where one of
the players had group 2, 3 an 4 Ventrues, but it's wasn't a TWD. I'll
check with him later.
Never the less, it was our mistake because we didn't red the "1.6.4.
Event Cards" section. Now we know it and it won't happen again.
All we can do as organizers is to apologize all players for your
misjudgement.
Thanks
Ricardo Marta
Prince of Lisboa
Portugal
Brum <tiago...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 18, 10:20�am, Oko <Oko...@gmail.com> wrote:>> So the organizer plays in his own qualifier event.
>> Again.>
>Wrong. A Mini Qualifier is a normal constructed event with a "special"
>award for the winner. We used multi judge.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3b537146c8e5ae01
From OrgPlay:
Mini-qualifiers are qualifiers and therefore cannot use the multi-
judge rules.
--
James Coupe
PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR.
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING.
13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
On 18 Juli, 14:42, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
> Brum <tiago.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 18, 10:20 am, Oko <Oko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So the organizer plays in his own qualifier event.
> >> Again.
>
> >Wrong. A Mini Qualifier is a normal constructed event with a "special"
> >award for the winner. We used multi judge.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3b53...> From OrgPlay:
>
> Mini-qualifiers are qualifiers and therefore cannot use the multi-
> judge rules.
>
> --
> James Coupe
> PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR.
> EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING.
> 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
It still bugs me how dumb that rule is :O
//Alex
On 18 heinä, 17:20, _angst_ <a...@student.chalmers.se> wrote:
> On 18 Juli, 14:42, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Brum <tiago.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Jul 18, 10:20 am, Oko <Oko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> So the organizer plays in his own qualifier event.
> > >> Again.
>
> > >Wrong. A Mini Qualifier is a normal constructed event with a "special"
> > >award for the winner. We used multi judge.
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3b53...
> > From OrgPlay:
>
> > Mini-qualifiers are qualifiers and therefore cannot use the multi-
> > judge rules.
>
> > --
> > James Coupe> It still bugs me how dumb that rule is :O
>
> //Alex
Indeed.
Nevertheless, it IS there. It still bugs me how many choose to ignore
it.
On 20 Jul, 07:13, Oko <Oko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed.
> Nevertheless, it IS there. It still bugs me how many choose to ignore
> it.
Maybe we didn't choose to ignore it, maybe it is just a lack of
information on these page because we checked the Championship page and
didn't check the tournaments page. As you can see in the link below,
in the Championship page at WW's site, it does not have any of these
information.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Championship
But thanks for the information.
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Indeed.
It *IS* a rule that could do with either
a) losing it completely due to being *generally* viewed as dumb
b) having it enforced, which would invariably lead to pissing people
off, for no good reason
c) having it be brought better into wider knowledge.
Until then, breaking the law breaking the law. Rock on.
On 17 Jul, 21:54, _angst_ <a...@student.chalmers.se> wrote:
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If I had known that I wouldn't played this deck.
Is kinda sad that i've won the tournament with a strategy which can
not be (thou the deck is completly legal).
Strategy wise, my aim was for 3 minions at first and a fourth for the
oust.
The conviction ciclying was made via Fatso (Leaf).
The only table that was not always under contro was number two, in
wich my prey was Melkor (imbued target vitals).
I'm realy pissed with this, of the 2 gehenas per turn, 'cause the
qualifier is thus tainted. I'm more pissed than the other players, by
what we talked.
Nuno moure schrieb:
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Don�t be to worried about it, shit happens. Diego Maradona also scored
some goals with the "hand of god" :-)))
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TY,
I was thinking of playing with marcus vitel Imbued (with which I
already won a tournament), with some tweaks (I've stolen from Melkor,
who had stolen it from hunter.net in the first place).
I went for something completly different just cause i'm tired of
playing AUS+something (be it presence, dominate, vissicitude,
whathever).
Guess I shouldn't...
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This Tournament had 2 problems, but I must tell you that all players
involved had great fun.
It was another great tournament with great tables and good plays.
It wouldn't count to qualify anybody anyway, since there were only 12
of us.
Follow up question,
Can I count as Organizer of more then one Mini Qualifer?
A ask here because feedback with WW pyramid is really lagging.
Cheers,
Tiago
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Well Jeff, I would like to start saying that, thou we never spoke I've
followed your opinios very closely for some time. Is sad that's under
this circunstances (the "cheating" and all, thou was a "fair" mistake,
lots off people didn't knew the rule).
Has for the convictions, you can cycle them very well with Leaf.
You can use her ability even thou she has 5 convictions (and burn the
one you want).
My intention was to bring only 3 minions into the table at first,
which would give me both staying and ousting power, and after go with
the flow.
The concept was perfect, the gehenas are devastating, and i guess i
can make the deck work even with one per turn, no biggie.
Imbued are just that resilient.
To finish, i'm really happy with the rule of only one per turn, I
really hated this deck, even playing it. Its just not fun cause you
have nothing to offer (but you need lots of table talk to avoid the
gang bang).
On Mon, 20 July 2009 14:22:07 -0700 (PDT), Brum wrote:
>Can I count as Organizer of more then one Mini Qualifer?
If your mini-qualifier attempt fails to meet the required number of
players, then that Prince may hold a second mini-qualifier.
The non-playing judge may judge as many events as are held within his
area of influence.
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Area of influence?
Exactly what do you mean by that?
Can I judge in the Mini Qualifiers of other Princes?
I'm to organise our European Qualifier, so I'm qualified and this year
there are alot of players here wanting to go to Palma de Maiorca.
Cheers,
t.
On Mon, 20 July 2009 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT), Brum wrote:
>> >Can I count as Organizer of more then one Mini Qualifer?>> If your mini-qualifier attempt fails to meet the required number of
>> players, then that Prince may hold a second mini-qualifier.>> The non-playing judge may judge as many events as are held within his
>> area of influence.>Area of influence?
Area in which you are trusted to judge.
>Exactly what do you mean by that?
The locations to which you are willing to travel and to which they are
willing to trust you to judge.
>Can I judge in the Mini Qualifiers of other Princes?
Yes.
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