Official Final Nights errata

Will the errata page be updated with the errata from Final Nights? And can this happen before GenCon?

In message <37066938.01071...@posting.google.com>, Jack Ryan <jack...@yahoo.com> writes >Will the errata page be updated with the errata from Final Nights? When it's on card text, it's not errata. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F She twirled a lock of hair around her forefinger and smiled B457CA213D7E6 faintly. "Actually, I'd settle for a small Greek." 68C3695D623D5D

James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:qhGqVGGt...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk... > In message <37066938.01071...@posting.google.com>, Jack Ryan > <jack...@yahoo.com> writes > >Will the errata page be updated with the errata from Final Nights? > > When it's on card text, it's not errata. And when it's not on the card and it should have been, its errata. ie, Fidai, Al-Ashrad, Ur-Shulgi and those errata items released by LSJ to the newsgroup prior to (and after) the set's release. (Prior To:) Typos and Corrections for Final Nights: Errata: Al-Ashrad has +1 bleed. [DTR] Catacombs: should cost 1 blood; but was mis-printed as costing two blood (errata). ERRATA: Malleable Visage is playable only by an untapped vampire. (After, ie RTR 7-11-01) Final Nights Design Team Rulings/Errata: ======================================== Al-Ashrad, Amr of Alamut: has +1 bleed, as per the Ancient Hearts version (errata to the Final Nights version). Catacombs: costs 1 blood, not 2, as per the Ancient Hearts version (errata to the Final Nights version). Malleable Visage: is only usable by an untapped vampire. (errata) Ur-Shulgi, The Shepherd: has +1 bleed (errata). Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

jack...@yahoo.com (Jack Ryan) wrote > Will the errata page be updated with the errata from Final Nights? < I believe Jack is referring to the official errata page on the White Wolf site. The page was just recently updated now shows a date of July 11. It was formerly February 16th. -- And it has errata for Malleable Visage, for example. It also appears that a new "page" has been added to the White Wolf site, listing the current wording for each card: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist.html Is this the official list, anyone?? Madman the curious

In message <7d8b1942.01071...@posting.google.com>, Madman2001 <4fis...@compuserve.com> writes >It also appears that a new "page" has been added to the White Wolf >site, listing the current wording for each card: >http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist.html > >Is this the official list, anyone?? Yep. All card texts there are official, up to the most recent printing etc. (Except for the occasional unintentional typo etc.) [ quoted text not captured ]

>===== Original Message From 4fis...@compuserve.com (Madman2001) ===== >jack...@yahoo.com (Jack Ryan) wrote >> Will the errata page be updated with the errata from Final Nights? < > I believe Jack is referring to the official errata page on the White >Wolf site. The page was just recently updated now shows a date of >July 11. It was formerly February 16th. -- And it has errata for >Malleable Visage, for example. Yes. I had uploaded that file to the wrong URL (errata.html instead of rulings.html) earlier - on the 11th, actually. Jack's question alerted to my error. (Thanks, Jack). >It also appears that a new "page" has been added to the White Wolf >site, listing the current wording for each card: >http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist.html > >Is this the official list, anyone?? Yes. Everything under white-wolf.com is official (except possibly for answers you get from non-LSJs on the message board). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com

LSJ wrote: > > >===== Original Message From 4fis...@compuserve.com (Madman2001) ===== > > >It also appears that a new "page" has been added to the White Wolf > >site, listing the current wording for each card: > >http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist.html > > > >Is this the official list, anyone?? > > Yes. Everything under white-wolf.com is official (except possibly for > answers you get from non-LSJs on the message board). Well, that's cool. Thanks. A couple of comments: I notice several different colors of text. The darker green (card text) and the yellow (card name) are pretty obvious as to their functions. What are some of the other colors for? The lighter green and the light bluish text? (Didn't notice if there were any other.) One thing I'd really like to see is in the list of expansions in which the card was printed, to denote any which had substantial differences. (For instance, to print the "Jyhad, V:TES" in "[Jyhad, V:TES, SW, FN]" in Wake with Evening's Freshness a differ color.) This would make it much easier to spot changes for which we need to be alert. Fred

LSJ <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message news:<3B5E...@MailAndNews.com>... > >===== Original Message From 4fis...@compuserve.com (Madman2001) ===== > >It also appears that a new "page" has been added to the White Wolf > >site, listing the current wording for each card: > >http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist.html > > > >Is this the official list, anyone?? > > Yes. Everything under white-wolf.com is official (except possibly for > answers you get from non-LSJs on the message board). Checking the text from the Archon political action, it states "Any vampire can remove these abilities with a successful referendum". I seem to recall Archon requiring a Camarilla vampire to remove, but I'm definitely not positive. Is the Archon referendum (both the initial action and the vote to remove the abilities) a Camarilla-only referendum, or is it open to all voters? Hmm, that brings up a couple of other questions for me to ask: In a Camarilla-only referendum, can a player still throw a vote from his hand even if he does not control a Camarilla vampire? Is Archon a title (will it remove any other titles)? I haven't seen anything to make me think it was, but the question came up and I wasn't positive. Thanks, p.

In message <2d0d1f86.01071...@posting.google.com>, Patrick Harris <pha...@sfopera.com> writes >Checking the text from the Archon political action, it states "Any >vampire can remove these abilities with a successful referendum". I >seem to recall Archon requiring a Camarilla vampire to remove, but I'm >definitely not positive. Nope. No card text, and not listed [10.1] Only a Camarilla vampire can *be* one. > Is the Archon referendum (both the initial >action and the vote to remove the abilities) a Camarilla-only >referendum, or is it open to all voters? All votes are open to all voters unless stated otherwise. >Hmm, that brings up a couple of other questions for me to ask: >In a Camarilla-only referendum, can a player still throw a vote from >his hand even if he does not control a Camarilla vampire? Closed Session only prohibits vampires from voting. It doesn't prohibit a Methuselah voting - which is what a PA card counts as. >Is Archon a title No. >(will it remove any other titles)? No. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:<byUWxyPl...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>... > In message <2d0d1f86.01071...@posting.google.com>, Patrick > Harris <pha...@sfopera.com> writes > >Checking the text from the Archon political action, *snip other responses - thank you* > >Is the Archon referendum (both the initial > >action and the vote to remove the abilities) a Camarilla-only > >referendum, or is it open to all voters? > > All votes are open to all voters unless stated otherwise. I guess I'm asking if it's stated otherwise anywhere (similar to Elysium: the Arboretum). Hmm, I see in the online rulebook: 10.1 Only Camarilla vampires can call the following referendums: Justicar Retribution, Command of the Harpies, Masquerade Enforcement, the vote to burn Masquerade Enforcement, the vote to burn The Elysium: the Arboretum and the referendum to remove the abilities granted by Archon. Only Camarilla vampires can be chosen in the Archon and Camarilla Exemplary referendums. Okay, so this brings up another question or three (surprise): Only a Camarilla vamp can call the vote to remove the abilities granted by Archon; does that also mean that only Camarilla vampires can cast votes during that referendum? Does the requirement of a Camarilla vampire to call a referendum also mean that only Camarilla vampires can vote during that referendum? I would assume so, but just to be sure... Geh, also, if a referendum is restricted to Camarilla, can a non-Camarilla minion play reactions during that referendum? For instance, could a non-Camarilla vampire play Kindred Coercion or Kindred Manipulation? Thanks again, p.

In message <2d0d1f86.01071...@posting.google.com>, Patrick Harris <pha...@sfopera.com> writes >Okay, so this brings up another question or three (surprise): >Only a Camarilla vamp can call the vote to remove the abilities >granted by Archon; does that also mean that only Camarilla vampires >can cast votes during that referendum? No. Nothing says that. > Does the requirement of a >Camarilla vampire to call a referendum also mean that only Camarilla >vampires can vote during that referendum? No, it just requires a Camarilla vampire call it. Card text (like that on Closed Session or Cardinal Benediction) is required to exclude vampires from voting. >Geh, also, if a referendum is restricted to Camarilla, can a >non-Camarilla minion play reactions during that referendum? Yes, so long as they aren't actual votes, or require that vampire to be casting votes or anything like that. >For >instance, could a non-Camarilla vampire play Kindred Coercion or >Kindred Manipulation? Sure. [ quoted text not captured ]