Passle of Questions

I have a couple of questions after a bout of deck construction, playing in some games, and talking with some friends: Can Amaranth be used by the acting minion after The Kiss of Ra has been used at superior? [My guess is no, since Amaranth is a combat card, and there is no combat] If a minion with 0 stealth is blocked by a minion with 0 intercept, what happens when the acting minion plays Call of the Hungry Dead at inferior (-1 intercept)? [I have no idea, since I don't know if negative intercept is possible] Can The Jones be used to cancel a non-card strike? If so: Can it cancel a hand strike, and if so, can the opposing minion choose hand again? Can it cancel a .44 shot after the maneuver, and if so, can the opposing minion choose .44 again? Can it cancel a Gas Powered Chainsaw (once per combat) strike, and if so, can the opposing minion choose Gas Powered Chainsaw again? If I take control of an opponent's vampire which already has a Blood Doll on it, who now controls the Blood Doll? Who can use the Blood Doll? Does the Priscus sub-referendum happen completely before the full referendum or does it continue during the full referendum (6.3.3 implies the latter)? - Jason Bell

Jason Bell wrote: > Can Amaranth be used by the acting minion > after The Kiss of Ra has been used at > superior? > [My guess is no, since Amaranth is a combat > card, and there is no combat] Correct. > If a minion with 0 stealth is blocked by > a minion with 0 intercept, what happens > when the acting minion plays Call of the > Hungry Dead at inferior (-1 intercept)? > [I have no idea, since I don't know if > negative intercept is possible] It is. A minion with less intercept than the acting minion's stealth will fail to block. > Can The Jones be used to cancel a > non-card strike? If so: Yes. > Can it cancel a hand strike, and if > so, can the opposing minion choose > hand again? Yes and yes. > Can it cancel a .44 shot after the > maneuver, and if so, can the opposing > minion choose .44 again? Yes and yes (indeed, he has no other choice). > Can it cancel a Gas Powered Chainsaw > (once per combat) strike, and if so, > can the opposing minion choose Gas > Powered Chainsaw again? Yes and yes. > If I take control of an opponent's > vampire which already has a Blood > Doll on it, who now controls the Blood > Doll? Whoever played it. [1.6.2] > Who can use the Blood Doll? See card text. > Does the Priscus sub-referendum > happen completely before the full > referendum or does it continue > during the full referendum (6.3.3 > implies the latter)? The latter. 6.3.3 is rather explicit on this point. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote > Jason Bell wrote: > > Can The Jones be used to cancel ... > > Can it cancel a Gas Powered Chainsaw > > (once per combat) strike, and if so, > > can the opposing minion choose Gas > > Powered Chainsaw again? > > Yes and yes. Wow. How can this be? If my cancelled superior Form of Mist cannot be re-played because I can't repeat an action modifier, (and the Form of Mist triggers as having played an action modifier) how can I re-play a once-per-combat G-P-Chainsaw after having played it once? What am I missing? Is it that "once per combat" weapons can be used for the full round (for additional strikes)? Hey, as long as we're talking Chainsaws, is the regular old Chainsaw still 2 pool, or am I to consider the old Chainsaws to be Gas Powered? If still 2 pool, what powers the regular Chainsaws? > > If I take control of an opponent's > > vampire which already has a Blood > > Doll on it, who now controls the Blood > > Doll? > > Whoever played it. [1.6.2] > > > Who can use the Blood Doll? > > See card text. Now, I really appreciate you working on a Sunday like this, and I really really appreciate that you take the time to answer the questions posed by goobers such as myself, but this is a bad answer. If all I had was a Jyhad Blood Doll, I would look at that text, and happily go away certain that the rule was just the opposite of what it actually is. Luckily I own a current copy of Blood Doll, so I know the answer, and probably shouldn't have asked the question (see above, re: goober). Anyway, my point is that it wouldn't have taken much to confirm that the vampire's controller is the only one who can move the blood, regardless of who played the card, to avoid the above possibility. And if I wasn't just a goober, and all I had was the old Jyhad card, well then I could be in real trouble. > > Does the Priscus sub-referendum > > happen completely before the full > > referendum or does it continue > > during the full referendum (6.3.3 > > implies the latter)? > > The latter. > > 6.3.3 is rather explicit on this point. Nope, it's not. - Jason Bell

Jason Bell wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote > > Jason Bell wrote: > > > > Can The Jones be used to cancel > ... > > > Can it cancel a Gas Powered Chainsaw > > > (once per combat) strike, and if so, > > > can the opposing minion choose Gas > > > Powered Chainsaw again? > > > > Yes and yes. > > Wow. How can this be? If my cancelled > superior Form of Mist cannot be re-played > because I can't repeat an action modifier, > (and the Form of Mist triggers as having > played an action modifier) how can I re-play > a once-per-combat G-P-Chainsaw after having > played it once? What am I missing? > Is it that "once per combat" weapons > can be used for the full round (for additional > strikes)? You're mixing up "played" with "chosen for your strike". A weapon isn't used until the strike resolves (or until the maneuver is used or whatever). You can't replay Form of Mist because it's not in your hand. You can't play another at superior because the rule on action modifiers is "played" and not "used". > Hey, as long as we're talking Chainsaws, is > the regular old Chainsaw still 2 pool, or am > I to consider the old Chainsaws to be > Gas Powered? If still 2 pool, what powers > the regular Chainsaws? Chainsaw has no errata. > > > If I take control of an opponent's > > > vampire which already has a Blood > > > Doll on it, who now controls the Blood > > > Doll? > > > > Whoever played it. [1.6.2] > > > > > Who can use the Blood Doll? > > > > See card text. > > Now, I really appreciate you working on a Sunday > like this, and I really really appreciate that you > take the time to answer the questions posed > by goobers such as myself, but this is a bad > answer. If all I had was a Jyhad Blood Doll, > I would look at that text, and happily go away See official card text given on the white wolf web page (linked from my .sig below). > > > Does the Priscus sub-referendum > > > happen completely before the full > > > referendum or does it continue > > > during the full referendum (6.3.3 > > > implies the latter)? > > > > The latter. > > > > 6.3.3 is rather explicit on this point. > > Nope, it's not. Please explain. 6.3.3 says "during a referendum" and notes that the block "may shift". How is this not explicit? [ quoted text not captured ]

> > Wow. How can this be? If my cancelled > > superior Form of Mist cannot be re-played > > because I can't repeat an action modifier, > > (and the Form of Mist triggers as having > > played an action modifier) how can I re-play > > a once-per-combat G-P-Chainsaw after having > > played it once? What am I missing? > > Is it that "once per combat" weapons > > can be used for the full round (for additional > > strikes)? > > You're mixing up "played" with "chosen for your > strike". A weapon isn't used until the strike > resolves (or until the maneuver is used or > whatever). > > You can't replay Form of Mist because it's not > in your hand. You can't play another at superior > because the rule on action modifiers is "played" > and not "used". Ok, Sup FoM is an Action modifier, got that. Now, is Mirror Image too? Or because it has no stealth is it simply a combat card (thus allowing several per action)? Also, FoM can't be used to S:CE unless you were acting, but looking at Mirror Image, you may be able to do this. Clarification please. Cameron

orcao...@hotmail.com (Cameron) wrote: >Ok, Sup FoM is an Action modifier, got that. Now, is Mirror Image >too? Or because it has no stealth is it simply a combat card (thus >allowing several per action)? Also, FoM can't be used to S:CE unless >you were acting, but looking at Mirror Image, you may be able to do >this. Clarification please. Mirror Image is just a combat card. Form of Mist is the only combat card that is also an action modifier (that is, is both at the same time). Both FoM and Mirror Image can be used for S:CE when not blocking. FoM is only an action modifier when played by an acting minion at superior. [ quoted text not captured ]

vte...@white-wolf.com (LSJ) wrote: >orcao...@hotmail.com (Cameron) wrote: >>Ok, Sup FoM is an Action modifier, got that. Now, is Mirror Image >>too? Or because it has no stealth is it simply a combat card (thus >>allowing several per action)? Also, FoM can't be used to S:CE unless >>you were acting, but looking at Mirror Image, you may be able to do >>this. Clarification please. > >Mirror Image is just a combat card. >Form of Mist is the only combat card that is also an action modifier >(that is, is both at the same time). > >Both FoM and Mirror Image can be used for S:CE when not blocking. That should say "when not acting". [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Sure. 6.3.3 says that the Priscus block of three is voted during the referendum, "according to the the prisci sub-referendum." There is not any explicit reference to the Priscus sub-referendum occuring during as opposed to before the full referendum, that must be inferred from the "three votes may shift" text, but only inferred, since those votes could hypothetically shift during the pre-full referendum sub-referendum. Explicit would be "the Priscus sub-referendum occurs during the full referendum and ends when all Priscus have either voted or abstained from that sub-referendum. Until the sub-referendum ends, the Priscus block votes can shift according to the majority at any given point." All this is academic, though. I'm glad to know the correct procedure, as my group had been determining the Priscus vote first, then moving on to the full referendum. Thanks again. - Jason Bell

Jason Bell wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote > > Jason Bell wrote: > > > > 6.3.3 is rather explicit on this point. > > > > > > Nope, it's not. > > > > Please explain. 6.3.3 says "during a referendum" > > and notes that the block "may shift". How is this > > not explicit? > > Sure. > 6.3.3 says that the Priscus block of three is voted > during the referendum, "according to the the > prisci sub-referendum." There is not any explicit > reference to the Priscus sub-referendum occuring > during as opposed to before the full referendum, Not true. It says that it happens "during a referendum", as I stated above. [6.3.3, "The Prisci Block", second sentence.] [ quoted text not captured ]

> Hey, as long as we're talking Chainsaws, is > the regular old Chainsaw still 2 pool, or am > I to consider the old Chainsaws to be > Gas Powered? If still 2 pool, what powers > the regular Chainsaws? You get a choice natural gas, electricity or one of those funny little stone treadmills with a pteradactyl chasing a brontoburger. Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote > Jason Bell wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote > > > Please explain. 6.3.3 says "during a referendum" > > > and notes that the block "may shift". How is this > > > not explicit? > > > > Sure. > > 6.3.3 says that the Priscus block of three is voted > > during the referendum, "according to the the > > prisci sub-referendum." There is not any explicit > > reference to the Priscus sub-referendum occuring > > during as opposed to before the full referendum, > > Not true. It says that it happens "during a referendum", > as I stated above. [6.3.3, "The Prisci Block", second > sentence.] Sigh. That sentence says when the votes are cast. To understand when the determination of those three votes occurs, inference is required, from the "may shift between" text later. - Jason Bell

In message <s05_6.82259$ru2.24...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>, Jason Bell <Jason...@mail.com> writes >Sigh. >That sentence says when the votes are cast. The entire section refers to a sub-referendum, suggesting that it occurs in the timeframe of the normal referendum. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D "You reinstall Dial-Up Networking. The Elf screams and becomes EBD690ECD7A1F an icon. *** CONGRATULATIONS! *** You completed the BT Internet B457CA213D7E6 Helpdesk training course in 15 out of a possible 9000 moves." 68C3695D623D5D

>> Hey, as long as we're talking Chainsaws, is >> the regular old Chainsaw still 2 pool, or am >> I to consider the old Chainsaws to be >> Gas Powered? If still 2 pool, what powers >> the regular Chainsaws? > >You get a choice natural gas, electricity or >one of those funny little stone treadmills with >a pteradactyl chasing a brontoburger. I think it would be cool to see a vampire wielding a solar-powered chainsaw. Probably a Gangrel since it's environmental friendly. Halcyan 2

"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote > Jason Bell <Jason...@mail.com> writes > >Sigh. > >That sentence says when the votes are cast. > > The entire section refers to a sub-referendum, suggesting that it occurs > in the timeframe of the normal referendum. Agreed, but I still figured I needed confirmation on that interpretation, which I was happy to receive. It was just one of those things that I did incorrectly without ever reading the rule, read the rule which seemed to show I was doing it incorrectly, so I asked to confirm that I was doing it incorrectly. This has really become an issue of semantics (explicit vs suggested or implied) , and I promised myself ever since high school I would do my best to avoid semantic arguments. - Jason Bell

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote [ quoted text not captured ] I figure electric, which explains the once-per-combat part, as you can envision chasing after the opposing minion until you reach the end of the extension cord. - Jason Bell