[LSJ] Sire´s index finger

Konstantin and Lucian are the dogs of war: K has the Index finger and plays Drawing out the Beast before range. As his strike Lucian steals the finger. What wins out (and when)? (Will Lucian be affected since he now is immmune, or is he unable to use equipment?) With his next action, Konstantin steals the finger back. Next time they enter combat K plays terror frenzy at superior and once again Lucian steals the finger as a strike. When (if at all) does he become immune to the TF? "Steal Equipment. This effect is like destroy equipment, except that instead of being burned, the equipment card is moved to the striking minion. The equipment may not be used by the stealing minion during the current round of combat. The equipment is retained by the stealing minion after combat ends." /Mathias

agzocgud wrote: > Konstantin and Lucian are the dogs of war: > > K has the Index finger and plays Drawing out the Beast before range. > As his strike Lucian steals the finger. What wins out (and when)? > (Will Lucian be affected since he now is immmune, or is he unable to > use equipment?) > Drawing out the Beast wins out since Lucian cannot use the equipment in the same round it is stolen (and will still take the damage in the press step). See your own copy of the Steal Equipment rules below. > With his next action, Konstantin steals the finger back. > > Next time they enter combat K plays terror frenzy at superior and once > again Lucian steals the finger as a strike. When (if at all) does he > become immune to the TF? > The round after he stole the Sire's Index Finger. > "Steal Equipment. This effect is like destroy equipment, except that > instead of being burned, the equipment card is moved to the striking > minion. The equipment may not be used by the stealing minion during > the current round of combat. The equipment is retained by the stealing > minion after combat ends." > Archibald Zimonyi Malkavian Prince of Gothenburg http://www.vekn.nu

agzocgud wrote: > Konstantin and Lucian are the dogs of war: > > K has the Index finger and plays Drawing out the Beast before range. > As his strike Lucian steals the finger. What wins out (and when)? > (Will Lucian be affected since he now is immmune, or is he unable to > use equipment?) He is unable to use the Index Finger, so he is unable to become immune. > With his next action, Konstantin steals the finger back. > > Next time they enter combat K plays terror frenzy at superior and once > again Lucian steals the finger as a strike. When (if at all) does he > become immune to the TF? After combat ends (i.e., when the Drawing Out the Beast effect which prohibits him from using the Finger ends). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > agzocgud wrote: > >> Konstantin and Lucian are the dogs of war: >> >> K has the Index finger and plays Drawing out the Beast before range. >> As his strike Lucian steals the finger. What wins out (and when)? >> (Will Lucian be affected since he now is immmune, or is he unable to >> use equipment?) > > > He is unable to use the Index Finger, so he is unable to become immune. > >> With his next action, Konstantin steals the finger back. >> >> Next time they enter combat K plays terror frenzy at superior and once >> again Lucian steals the finger as a strike. When (if at all) does he >> become immune to the TF? > > > After combat ends (i.e., when the Drawing Out the Beast effect which > prohibits him from using the Finger ends). > I think you answered the wrong question, what about Terror Frenzy at superior? [ quoted text not captured ]

Archibald Zimonyi wrote: > LSJ wrote: >> agzocgud wrote: >>> With his next action, Konstantin steals the finger back. >>> >>> Next time they enter combat K plays terror frenzy at superior and once >>> again Lucian steals the finger as a strike. When (if at all) does he >>> become immune to the TF? >> >> After combat ends (i.e., when the Drawing Out the Beast effect which >> prohibits him from using the Finger ends). >> > I think you answered the wrong question, what about Terror Frenzy at > superior? Ah. Well, if indeed the questioner meant to ask about TF at superior (which does nothing to equipment use), then, of course, Lucian becomes immune as soon as he has the Finger. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > Archibald Zimonyi wrote: > >> LSJ wrote: >> >>> agzocgud wrote: >>> >>>> With his next action, Konstantin steals the finger back. >>>> >>>> Next time they enter combat K plays terror frenzy at superior and once >>>> again Lucian steals the finger as a strike. When (if at all) does he >>>> become immune to the TF? >>> >>> >>> After combat ends (i.e., when the Drawing Out the Beast effect which >>> prohibits him from using the Finger ends). >>> >> I think you answered the wrong question, what about Terror Frenzy at >> superior? > > > Ah. Well, if indeed the questioner meant to ask about TF at superior > (which does nothing to equipment use), then, of course, Lucian becomes > immune as soon as he has the Finger. > Then I would ask a follow up question, is using an equipment something active or can it be a passive thing? I ask because it says "The equipment may not be used by the stealing minion during the current round of combat." in the section that deals with stealing equipment. If Lucian for example plays a Blur in the same round he stole the Index Finger, would he then burn the additional blood when playing the Blur? [ quoted text not captured ]

Archibald Zimonyi wrote: > LSJ wrote: >> Archibald Zimonyi wrote: >>> I think you answered the wrong question, what about Terror Frenzy at >>> superior? >> >> Ah. Well, if indeed the questioner meant to ask about TF at superior >> (which does nothing to equipment use), then, of course, Lucian becomes >> immune as soon as he has the Finger. >> > Then I would ask a follow up question, is using an equipment something > active or can it be a passive thing? > > I ask because it says "The equipment may not be used by the stealing > minion during the current round of combat." in the section that deals > with stealing equipment. Sorry, right. He becomes immune as soon as he can use the Finger, which is on the next round. > If Lucian for example plays a Blur in the same round he stole the Index > Finger, would he then burn the additional blood when playing the Blur? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]