Game Situations: Bleed and Deflection

Player A Bleeds Player B Player B says "I'll not block" Player A says "So, it's one pool" Player B looses 1 pool Player A plays bonding (or any other bleed modifier) Questions: Could Player B play Deflection at this time (assuming he's already lost 1 pool?) Thanks Itamar G. Jr. Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

Well... You can play deflection/redirection at any given time. Even after letting the bleed get through. I'm not sure if you could play any reaction cards after physically removing blood from your pool... If you're beeing bled for one and you agree on that, how can the bleed be modified?? I always thought that bleed modifiers had to be played prior to removing any blood from the pool... Anyone? -K- "Itamar G. Jr." <ita...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3d2c43e8.02052...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

"Kenneth Kristiansen" <ken...@chello.no> wrote in message news:RzxI8.348$U03....@news01.chello.no... > Well... You can play deflection/redirection at any given time. Even after > letting the bleed get through. > > I'm not sure if you could play any reaction cards after physically removing > blood from your pool... You can. Because your predator's acting minion played an action modifier, you have the right to answer with a reaction card before the bleed is succesful. The pool is not really removed until when the bleed action is succesful. Reyda The Righteous

Kenneth Kristiansen wrote: > Well... You can play deflection/redirection at any given time. Even after > letting the bleed get through. You can play reaction cards after you decline to block. Much like your opponent can play action modifers after you decline to block. > > I'm not sure if you could play any reaction cards after physically removing > blood from your pool... You can't. But you don't actually remove blood from your pool until the action resolves. The action does not resolve until both players are happy with the action and no one has anymore cards to play. > > If you're beeing bled for one and you agree on that, how can the bleed be > modified?? I always thought that bleed modifiers had to be played prior to > removing any blood from the pool... You can say "Ok. I don't block. I'm being bled for one", but your opponent still has an opportunity to play action modifiers after you decline to block but before the action resolves. Once the action resolves, you remove blood from your pool. Before the action resolves, however, either player can play modifiers and reactions. Basically, you ask for blocks. Once you have resolved that no one is blocking, you hit a point where you can't block anymore but you can still play modifiers and reactions. Once both players have no cards to play, then the action resolves. If you say "I take the bleed for 1" or whatever, and then your opponent plays Conditioning, you can then play a reaction (like Deflection or something). You can't go back and try and block, as the time to declare blockers has ended, but you can always play reactions or modifiers until the action resolves. Peter D Bakija PD...@bigplanet.com http://www.myplanet.net/pdb6 "Can I be blind too?" -Xander

Itamar G. Jr. wrote: > Player A Bleeds Player B > Player B says "I'll not block" > Player A says "So, it's one pool" > Player B looses 1 pool > Player A plays bonding (or any other bleed modifier) > > Questions: > > Could Player B play Deflection at this time (assuming he's already lost 1 > pool?) In a sense. Player A can't play Bonding after player B loses one pool, but he can play Bonding after Player B says "I'll take the bleed for 1", but then player B can still play Deflection. You don't actually lose pool until the action resolves. Once the action is resolving, it is too late to play modifiers or reactions. However, before the action resolves, either player can play modifiers or reaction cards. The action doesn't resolve until both players are done playing modifiers or reactions. So in your example, what actually happens is: Player A bleeds player B Player B declines to block Player A says "I'll take the bleed of 1" Player B plays Bonding Player A then can play Deflection or not. After both players are done playing cards, the action resolves. Once the action resolves, it is too late to play any other cards. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Peter D Bakija" <PD...@bigplanet.com> wrote in message news:B9185A9F.3740%PD...@bigplanet.com... > Itamar G. Jr. wrote: > > > Player A Bleeds Player B > > Player B says "I'll not block" > > Player A says "So, it's one pool" > > Player B looses 1 pool > > Player A plays bonding (or any other bleed modifier) > > > So in your example, what actually happens is: > > Player A bleeds player B > Player B declines to block > Player A says "I'll take the bleed of 1" > Player B plays Bonding > Player A then can play Deflection or not. > After both players are done playing cards, the action resolves. Once the > action resolves, it is too late to play any other cards. > Actually, it looks to me like what happens is: Player A bleeds player B. Player B declines to block. Player A declines to play any more action modifiers (says, "it's a bleed for 1.") Player B declines to play any more reactions (begins removing blood from his pool) At this point, player A wants to play an action modifier, but it is too late. He effectively gave up his chance when he said that the bleed was only for 1. If, however, player B had reacted in anyway, player A would have another chance to play action modifiers, but if both players pass sequentially, there's no chance to play effects. In a friendly game, player A would be allowed to play action modifiers here. In a tournament, I would probably call a judge over, but it's 50-50 which way he would rule. So, the answer to the original question is basically that yes player A can play more action modifiers, but according to strict interpretation of the rules, it is too late.

[ quoted text not captured ] Similar case: A bleeds, B declares he's not going to block with his only untapped minion, A modifies his bleed for 3 and B deflects him. But all other players deflect the bleed, so A comes back to bleed B: since he doesn't have any Deflection left, can he play a Wake and try to block with another vamp (I guess no because he already declared he would have not blocked)? Can he play a 2nd Trad (I think it's different from a Wake because the card states that you have to block)? Thanx

Cartman wrote: [snip large block of unused quotes] > A bleeds, B declares he's not going to block with his only untapped minion, > A modifies his bleed for 3 and B deflects him. > But all other players deflect the bleed, so A comes back to bleed B: since > he doesn't have any Deflection left, can he play a Wake and try to block > with another vamp (I guess no because he already declared he would have not > blocked)? Yes. Changing the target of the bleed (or other action) results in a new "choose blockers" stage. > Can he play a 2nd Trad (I think it's different from a Wake because the card > states that you have to block)? It's no different in that he can still use it to block. If he couldn't wake and block, he couldn't 2ndTrad and block, either. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/