I was playing a game o jyhad where my predator was a Malkavian S&B deck.
I was playing my Tremere Intercept, having fun blocking his foolish
attempts at stealth. Then he pulls out Blood Bond, and plays it against
my best blocker (Cassandra w/ Sport Bike). I was tapped at the time and
unable to block. I don't personally have a Blood Bond and have never
before had one used on me, so I was quite suprised when I discover than
Cassandra can never again block Leandro (+2 bleed, sup dom (skill card),
sup obf). He promptly pulled off a +2 stealth 9 bleed (Leandro w/ Govern
the Unaglined, Conditioning, and Lost in Crowds), and I went under. The
point of this is: is there anything that can be done about Blood Bond after
it's been played? With the Incriminating Video Tape, it can be stolen
or destroyed, but it looks like the only way to get rid of Blood Bond is
to kill the vamp (not easy to kill Leandro when he's got a handfull of
Read Intentions).
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Question:>
> I was playing a game o jyhad where my predator was a Malkavian S&B deck.
> I was playing my Tremere Intercept, having fun blocking his foolish
> attempts at stealth. Then he pulls out Blood Bond, and plays it against
> my best blocker (Cassandra w/ Sport Bike). I was tapped at the time and
> unable to block. I don't personally have a Blood Bond and have never
> before had one used on me, so I was quite suprised when I discover than
> Cassandra can never again block Leandro (+2 bleed, sup dom (skill card),
> sup obf). He promptly pulled off a +2 stealth 9 bleed (Leandro w/ Govern
> the Unaglined, Conditioning, and Lost in Crowds), and I went under. The
> point of this is: is there anything that can be done about Blood Bond after> it's been played? With the Incriminating Video Tape, it can be stolen
> or destroyed, but it looks like the only way to get rid of Blood Bond is
> to kill the vamp (not easy to kill Leandro when he's got a handfull of
> Read Intentions).
>
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Nope.
Kill him, Banish him or die.
REF
Harry Smith (hsm...@garfield.msms.doe.k12.ms.us) wrote:
: I was playing a game o jyhad where my predator was a Malkavian S&B deck.
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Nothing can be done about the Blood Bond; the fact that it cannot be
stolen is a double-edged sword: only the person who put it on that vamp
cannot be blocked by that vamp... So in this case, only Cassandra could
not block Leandro, whereas, with an incriminating videotape, the opponent
could swap it around [either by movement actions, or by Heidelburg
Castle] and make several of his minions unblockable by Cassandra...
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In article <DLDI3...@news.research.kpn.com>, Joost Hage
<ha...@cs.utwente.nl> wrote:
: Doesn't the Heidelburg Castle enable you to swap all CARDS between your
: vamps? Doesn't this also meen you can swap the Blood Bond (and retainers)
: after all?
:
: Just a thought, Joost
No, Heidelburg Castle allows the swapping of equipment, retainers, and
blood only between 2 vamps you control.
Sorry, no moving blood bond.
Hope this helps
stephen beaulieu
hi...@mail.utexas.edu
npu...@tiger.lsu.edu (Nicole Janine Purvis) wrote:
>Nothing can be done about the Blood Bond; the fact that it cannot be
>stolen is a double-edged sword: only the person who put it on that vamp
>cannot be blocked by that vamp... So in this case, only Cassandra could
>not block Leandro, whereas, with an incriminating videotape, the opponent
>could swap it around [either by movement actions, or by Heidelburg
>Castle] and make several of his minions unblockable by Cassandra...
Doesn't the Heidelburg Castle enable you to swap all CARDS between your
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refp...@best.com wrote:
: > I was playing a game o jyhad where my predator was a Malkavian S&B deck.
: > I was playing my Tremere Intercept, having fun blocking his foolish
: > attempts at stealth. Then he pulls out Blood Bond, and plays it against
: > my best blocker (Cassandra w/ Sport Bike). I was tapped at the time and
: > unable to block. I don't personally have a Blood Bond and have never
: > before had one used on me, so I was quite suprised when I discover than
: > Cassandra can never again block Leandro (+2 bleed, sup dom (skill card),
: > sup obf). He promptly pulled off a +2 stealth 9 bleed (Leandro w/ Govern
: > the Unaglined, Conditioning, and Lost in Crowds), and I went under. The
: > point of this is: is there anything that can be done about Blood Bond after
: > it's been played? With the Incriminating Video Tape, it can be stolen
: > or destroyed, but it looks like the only way to get rid of Blood Bond is
: > to kill the vamp (not easy to kill Leandro when he's got a handfull of
: > Read Intentions).: Nope.: Kill him, Banish him or die.
That's what I thought. Thankx.
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hi...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen Beaulieu) writes:
>In article <DLDI3...@news.research.kpn.com>, Joost Hage
><ha...@cs.utwente.nl> wrote:>: Doesn't the Heidelburg Castle enable you to swap all CARDS between your>: vamps? Doesn't this also meen you can swap the Blood Bond (and retainers)
>: after all?
>:
>: Just a thought, Joost>No, Heidelburg Castle allows the swapping of equipment, retainers, and>blood only between 2 vamps you control.>Sorry, no moving blood bond.
Correct, and Blood Bond couldn't be moved even if Heidelburg did allow
you to move arbitrary cards, since Blood Bond is not played *on* the
vampire, but merely names (targets) the vampire.
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Harry Smith wrote:
>
> With the Incriminating Video Tape, it can be stolen or destroyed,
> but it looks like the only way to get rid of Blood Bond is
> to kill the vamp (not easy to kill Leandro when he's got a> handfull of Read Intentions).--
Try the Master Goncoloda - Inner Peace.
It's serve the purpose of doing same with my Predator's FAME
that made it a real pain to duck the incoming bleeds.
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J. Andrew Hart (ah...@frk.com) wrote:
: > With the Incriminating Video Tape, it can be stolen or destroyed,
: > but it looks like the only way to get rid of Blood Bond is
: > to kill the vamp (not easy to kill Leandro when he's got a
: > handfull of Read Intentions).--: Try the Master Goncoloda - Inner Peace.
: It's serve the purpose of doing same with my Predator's FAME
: that made it a real pain to duck the incoming bleeds.
Golconda is a definate double-bladed sword. Either he just pays two pool
and keeps the vamp, or he gains 11 blood. Sure you got rid of a vampire,
but he can probably get out two more.
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Stephen Beaulieu <hi...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>: Doesn't the Heidelburg Castle enable you to swap all CARDS between your
>: vamps? Doesn't this also meen you can swap the Blood Bond (and retainers)
>: after all?>No, Heidelburg Castle allows the swapping of equipment, retainers, and
>blood only between 2 vamps you control.
And even if it did allow moving minion cards, Blood Bond is not actually
put into play when used. While people often leave it "in play" as a
reminder, it's not really there.
Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for
aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes:
>Stephen Beaulieu <hi...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:>>: Doesn't the Heidelburg Castle enable you to swap all CARDS between your
>>: vamps? Doesn't this also meen you can swap the Blood Bond (and retainers)
>>: after all?
>>No, Heidelburg Castle allows the swapping of equipment, retainers, and
>>blood only between 2 vamps you control.>And even if it did allow moving minion cards, Blood Bond is not actually
>put into play when used. While people often leave it "in play" as a
>reminder, it's not really there.
Good. Does this mean its effect is forgotten by a Banished vampire?
(Since it is not a card in play)
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Harry Smith (hsm...@garfield.msms.doe.k12.ms.us) wrote:
: J. Andrew Hart (ah...@frk.com) wrote:: : > With the Incriminating Video Tape, it can be stolen or destroyed,
: : > but it looks like the only way to get rid of Blood Bond is
: : > to kill the vamp (not easy to kill Leandro when he's got a
: : > handfull of Read Intentions).--: : Try the Master Goncoloda - Inner Peace.
: : It's serve the purpose of doing same with my Predator's FAME
: : that made it a real pain to duck the incoming bleeds.: Golconda is a definate double-bladed sword. Either he just pays two pool
: and keeps the vamp, or he gains 11 blood. Sure you got rid of a vampire,
: but he can probably get out two more.
I'd rather give him that opportunity to get 2 more [over the course of
at least two turns] than have Leandro or another high-cost vampire around
with any sort of beefing up--Golconda is even more attractive when they
have a few pieces of equipment or nasty retainers, etc. on them.
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