immortal grapple and studder-step

Can studder-step be played when immortal grapple is in effect. Immortal grapple seems to state that the card only has to be a hand strike, not that it can't also be a dodge. am I right?

"Walter Denny" <wde...@telocity.com> wrote in message news:3d101355$1...@nopics.sjc... [ quoted text not captured ] Noooo ! not again ! =) Is stutter step playable under Immortal grapple ? the answer is no. Stutter step is not usable under IG thanks to errata.

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3d101b6b$0$28504$79c1...@nan-newsreader-01.noos.net... [ quoted text not captured ] Heh, there was a fairly lengthy discussion about this card a few months ago. It *is* a hand strike, it does meet the criteria for a hand strike, it is also a dodge. Thanks to errata it is not playable when only hand strikes or only dodges are allowed.

"GreySeer" <e...@i.think.not> wrote in message news:<uh0hedi...@news.supernews.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] I am curious. How does it meet the criteria of a Hand Strike? I just see the card identifying it's strike as a Dodge, but also delivering strength damage. Therefore, I see it only as a Special Dodge, but a Dodge none the less. I understand it was errata'ed by LSJ so it can not be used in an IG combat, but have not really understood the need. Thanks Michael Eichler Prince of Ramstein

"Ramsteiner" <michael...@ramstein.af.mil> wrote in message news:9c15fdd3.02062...@posting.google.com... > "GreySeer" <e...@i.think.not> wrote in message news:<uh0hedi...@news.supernews.com>... > > "reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:3d101b6b$0$28504$79c1...@nan-newsreader-01.noos.net... > > > > > > "Walter Denny" <wde...@telocity.com> wrote in message > > > news:3d101355$1...@nopics.sjc... > > > > Can studder-step be played when immortal grapple is in effect. Immortal > > > > grapple seems to state that the card only has to be a hand strike, not > > that > > > > it can't also be a dodge. am I right? > > > > > > Noooo ! not again ! =) > > > > > > Is stutter step playable under Immortal grapple ? > > > the answer is no. > > > Stutter step is not usable under IG thanks to errata. > > > > Heh, there was a fairly lengthy discussion about this card a few months ago. > > It *is* a hand strike, it does meet the criteria for a hand strike, it is > > also a dodge. Thanks to errata it is not playable when only hand strikes or > > only dodges are allowed. > > I am curious. How does it meet the criteria of a Hand Strike? From the FAQ ( I think it's in the rulebook somewhere too now ) "A "hand strike" is any non-ranged, non-weapon strike that deals damage based on the striking minion's strength, or any minion's non-ranged damage-dealing innate strike. " Stutter Step is not ranged, is not a weapon strike & deals damage based on the striking minion's strength. This qualifies it as a hand strike. > I just see the card identifying it's strike as a Dodge, but also > delivering strength damage. Therefore, I see it only as a Special > Dodge, but a Dodge none the less. I think that is the intention but because of IG's card text & the definition of a "hand strike" SS had to be errataed. > I understand it was errata'ed by LSJ so it can not be used in an IG > combat, but have not really understood the need. Very much a matter of semantics, some ppl reasonably interperet wording in different ways to others.

"GreySeer" <e...@i.think.not> wrote in message news:<uh0hedi...@news.supernews.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] I am curious. How does it meet the criteria of a Hand Strike? I just see the card identifying it's strike as a Dodge, but also delivering strength damage. Therefore, I see it only as a Special Dodge, but a Dodge none the less. I understand it was errata'ed by LSJ so it can not be used in an IG combat, but have not really understood the need. Thanks [ quoted text not captured ]

Ramsteiner wrote: > I am curious. How does it meet the criteria of a Hand Strike? > > I just see the card identifying it's strike as a Dodge, but also > delivering strength damage. Therefore, I see it only as a Special > Dodge, but a Dodge none the less. There is nothing in the defition of a hand strike that precludes a dodge. 1) Is Stutter-Step non-ranged? Yes. 2) Is Stutter-Step a weapon-based strike? No. 3) Does Stutter-Step inflict damage based on the striking minion's strength? Yes. Therefore Stutter-Step is a hand strike and, barring errata to the contrary, would be playable under Immortal Grapple. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/