Point system...

Hello everybody, I've been reading this newsgroup to enhance my Jyhad knowledge, but recently I found something that is new to me: Point System. Could anyone of you explain me how is this? Thanks and regards... Rodolfo Leal Blamag Roth the Seeker of Lore

In article <19960816....@vnet.ibm.com>, rl...@vnet.ibm.com says... > >Hello everybody, > I've been reading this newsgroup to enhance my Jyhad knowledge, but >recently I found something that is new to me: Point System. > Could anyone of you explain me how is this? Thanks and regards... I think that the point system that you're refering to is probably the point system for determining what powers, titles, and disciplines a vampire will have. In short: a vampire has a # of points for powers equal to it's capacity, modified by -1 if it's 4 capacity or less, and +1 if it's 9 capacity or more. Vampires get more points for drawbacks, and if they have combinations of powers which will rarely get used, they occasionally get a few extra points. Each level of a discipline costs a point; basic is 1, superior is 2. Titles: Primogen is 1/2 point, Prince is 1 point, Justicar is 3/2 points. Note that vampires have the cost of titles increased by 1/2 point if they are Nosferatu or Gangrel. +1 bleed or hand damage costs 2 points. Most special abilites costs can be determined from the # of points the vamp should have compared to what s/he has before factoring in that specific ability. Weaknesses on Caitiff can also be measured in point value this way. (For those who are also reading the 'Sabbat vampire' thread, this is what we're complaining about, if you couldn't tell. As mentioned, Ian Forestal flagrantly violates the point system as defined above.) Alec Chang

In article <4v3nj8$6...@mochi.lava.net>, on Fri, 16 Aug 96 20:14:13 PST, Alec Chang <te...@lava.net> writes: >In article <19960816....@vnet.ibm.com>, rl...@vnet.ibm.com says... >I think that the point system that you're refering to is probably the >point system for determining what powers, titles, and disciplines a >vampire will have. ›snip! > >(For those who are also reading the 'Sabbat vampire' thread, this is what >we're complaining about, if you couldn't tell. As mentioned, Ian >Forestal flagrantly violates the point system as defined above.) > >Alec Chang > Thanks for the explanation... Could you give a couple of examples, too? Rodolfo Leal

In article <19960819....@vnet.ibm.com>, rl...@vnet.ibm.com says... [ quoted text not captured ] Violette Prentiss-Ventrue 4 capacity (use 1 pt. for under five cap.) Spend 3 points on disciplines: 1 superior, 1 regular.=4 Igo the Hungry-Caitiff 1 capacity (use 1 pt. for under five cap.) Spend 2 points on disciplines, both regular. Add 2 points for no +1 stealth when hunting.=1 Zoe-Malkavian 3 capacity DS (use 1 pt. for under five cap.) Spend 4 points on disciplines: 1 superior, 2 regular. Add 2 points for no +1 stealth when hunting.=3 Rake-Brujah 6 capacity Spend 5 points on disciplines:1 superior, 3 regular. Spend 1 point on title "Prince of Atlanta". Spend no points on +1 hand damage vs. Ventrue. Special abilities that only work against clan X are usually free.=6 Lazarus-Tremere 9 capacity (add 1 pt. for over eight cap.) Spend 8 points on disciplines: 3 superior, 2 regular. Spend 1/2 point on title "Primogen". Spend 1 and 1/2 points on "can do 1R damage."=9 Lucian-Malkavian 10 capacity (add 1 pt. for over eight cap.) Spend 8 points on disciplines: 3 superior, 2 regular. Spend 1 and 1/2 points on title "Malkavian Justicar". Spend 1 and 1/2 points for "steal equipment as a strike." =10

rl...@vnet.ibm.com (Blamag Roth) writes: >In article <4v3nj8$6...@mochi.lava.net>, > on Fri, 16 Aug 96 20:14:13 PST, > Alec Chang <te...@lava.net> writes: >>In article <19960816....@vnet.ibm.com>, rl...@vnet.ibm.com says... >>I think that the point system that you're refering to is probably the >>point system for determining what powers, titles, and disciplines a >>vampire will have. >›snip! >> >>(For those who are also reading the 'Sabbat vampire' thread, this is what >>we're complaining about, if you couldn't tell. As mentioned, Ian >>Forestal flagrantly violates the point system as defined above.) >> >>Alec Chang >> >Thanks for the explanation... Could you give a couple of examples, too? The point system goes as follows: 1 point for each skill at basic level 2 points for each skill at superior level 1 point for abilities like '+1 bleed' or '+1 hand damage' or 'Prince' X points for other abilities -X points for some restrictions (like most caitiff restrictions). Some abilities appear to be worth frctional points (Primogen is worth 0.5, Justicar is worth 1.5). Add 'em up and you get the vampire's points. The factional part is usually rounded up, but not always. A vampire's capacity determines the number of points he can have: Capacity Points 1-4 Cap-1 5-8 Cap 9+ Cap+1 Examples: Lupo: skills: 1 points: 1 capacity: 2 Didi: skills: 5 points: 5 capacity: 5 Gilbert: skills: 6 abilities: 1 (Prince) points: 7 capacity: 7 Anneke: skills: 7 abilities: 1 (+1 bleed) 1.5 (Justicar) 1 (block)=3.5 points: 10.5 capacity: 10 Cardano: skills: 9 abilities: 1 (Prince) points: 10 capacity: 9 -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | A one-bit brain with a http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | parity error. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

> The point system goes as follows: > 1 point for each skill at basic level > 2 points for each skill at superior level > 1 point for abilities like '+1 bleed' or '+1 hand damage' or 'Prince' Actually, I think that it's 2 points for +1 bleed or +1 hand damage, and 1 point for a title, no matter what it is. > X points for other abilities > -X points for some restrictions (like most caitiff restrictions). These are usually +1 and -1. If it is clan-specific, it can be +-0, +-0.5 or +-1. > Capacity Points > 1-4 Cap-1 > 5-8 Cap > 9+ Cap+1 > > Examples: > Lupo: skills: 1 points: 1 capacity: 2 > Didi: skills: 5 points: 5 capacity: 5 > Gilbert: skills: 6 abilities: 1 (Prince) points: 7 capacity: 7 So this would be: > Anneke: skills: 7 abilities: 2 (+1 bleed) 1 (Justicar) 1 (block) > points: 11 capacity: 10 (works out much nicer...) > Cardano: skills: 9 abilities: 1 (Prince) points: 10 capacity: 9 Other examples to illustrate my point: Ozmo: 4 pts. of abilities and +1 bleed: 4+2 = 6 = Capacity. Zack North: 4 pts. of abilities and +1 hand damage: 4+2 = 6 = Capacity Chandler Hungerford: 2 pts. of abilities and a +0 clan-spef. Joquina Amaya: 6 pts. of abilities and a +1 special. --James * James Hamblin * * Cornell University * * je...@cornell.edu *

sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) wrote: >rl...@vnet.ibm.com (Blamag Roth) writes: >>In article <4v3nj8$6...@mochi.lava.net>, >> on Fri, 16 Aug 96 20:14:13 PST, >> Alec Chang <te...@lava.net> writes: >>>In article <19960816....@vnet.ibm.com>, rl...@vnet.ibm.com says... >>>I think that the point system that you're refering to is probably the >>>point system for determining what powers, titles, and disciplines a >>>vampire will have. > >>Thanks for the explanation... Could you give a couple of examples, too? > >The point system goes as follows: >1 point for each skill at basic level >2 points for each skill at superior level >1 point for abilities like '+1 bleed' or '+1 hand damage' or 'Prince' >X points for other abilities >-X points for some restrictions (like most caitiff restrictions). > >Some abilities appear to be worth frctional points (Primogen is worth 0.5, >Justicar is worth 1.5). > >Add 'em up and you get the vampire's points. > >The factional part is usually rounded up, but not always. > >A vampire's capacity determines the number of points he can have: > >Capacity Points >1-4 Cap-1 >5-8 Cap >9+ Cap+1 > Curt Adam's article on the point system (available via DejaNews) had both +1 bleed and +1 hand damage as 2 point abilities. --Eric

On 22 Aug 1996, Eric Pettersen wrote: > Curt Adam's article on the point system (available via DejaNews) had > both +1 bleed and +1 hand damage as 2 point abilities. I see you are correct. (Note my difference of opinion on the Ian Forestal thread). However, my opinion on Ian Forestal stands, despite your Francois Villon example. Anvil, too, is underpriced (by 1) and some cards are slightly overpriced. Exceptions don't make the rule, and shouldn't be strived for. Ian is not slighty underpriced at all. If anything, he is _greatly_ underpriced. @ The Corrupter - Adrian Lee Sullivan @ GAT/CS/WS R+++* r(+)>++ # Gamer Coffee-Addict Scripter Author # C(+++)$ USX+$ N++ e+* @#$ Comments ? sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu $#@ tv(+)> X++ b++(+++) @#$ <http://cslab.uwlax.edu/~sulli_al/jyhad> $#@ PS+&-+ PE&-&++ z*+?