LSJ-Gwyedd Tangle Atrophos Hand

Gwyedd bleeds. Smudge declares a block. Gwyedd playes Tangle Atrophos Hand. Is Smudge tapped or untapped. Gwyedd Clan: Gangrel (group 4) Capacity: 10 Disciplines: ANI DEM FOR POT PRO tem Camarilla primogen: When Gwyedd is performing an undirected action, any younger vampire who attempts to block and fails is tapped after resolution. Tangle Atropos' Hand Type: Action Modifier Requires: Temporis/Potence Cost: 1 blood Only usable when a minion is attempting to block. [pot] Cancel the action and untap the acting minion. (The blocking minion is not tapped.) [tem] As [pot] above, and take the action card, if any, back into your hand (discard afterward). [TEM] As [tem] above, and this vampire gets +1 stealth on his or her next action this turn.

On Feb 11, 3:47 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > Gwyedd bleeds. Smudge declares a block. Gwyedd playes Tangle > Atrophos Hand. > > Is Smudge tapped or untapped. Smudge's tappedness is unchanged. > Tangle Atropos' Hand > Type: Action Modifier > Requires: Temporis/Potence > Cost: 1 blood > Only usable when a minion is attempting to block. Attempting to block does not cause a minion to become tapped (a successful block does). -witness1

Oops, I asked the wrong questions Gwyedd hunts. Smudge declares a block. Gwyedd playes Tangle [ quoted text not captured ]

On Feb 11, 3:58 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > Gwyedd hunts. Smudge declares a block. Gwyedd playes Tangle > Atrophos Hand. > > Is Smudge tapped or untapped. Is there a difference between an action failing and an action not being successful? (Not a rhetorical question.) If there isn't, Smudge should be tapped, based on an answer I got a while back from LSJ about Tangle vs. No Secrets, in which he said that if someone with No Secrets attempts to block and Tangle is played, the No Secrets burns. John Eno

XZealot wrote: > Gwyedd bleeds. Smudge declares a block. Gwyedd playes Tangle > Atrophos Hand. > > Is Smudge tapped or untapped. Untapped. Gwyedd's ability only tries to tap Smudge after action resolution, and Tangle cancels the action before resolution. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Feb 11, 6:49 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Untapped. Gwyedd's ability only tries to tap Smudge after action resolution, and > Tangle cancels the action before resolution. Can you explain why that's different from how Tangle interacts with No Secrets? Here's a link to the previous discussion I mentioned: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ba2nmg Thanks. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] Card text. Gwyedd: "after resolution"

On Feb 11, 9:33 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Card text. > > Gwyedd: "after resolution" Ah! Excellent. Thank you. John Eno