GC <gac...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>1. I have a question on the Malk. Derrangement card. It is the master
>card where the meth. of the minion affected must flip a coin to see
>whether or not his malk. will perform the action successfully or not.
>Must the meth. flip a coin if the affected minion is performing a
>reaction like a block, or voting (if it is a prince, prim. or just.),
>etc. Or does the meth. only flip the coin when he is using the affected
>minion on his turn, i.e. only when he is preforming ACTIONS not
>REACTIONS, VOTING etc.
It only applies when the Malkavian takes an action, not when it
reacts, casts votes, and so on.
>2. If you have the blood doll or palatial estate that lets your
>vampire get blood, can you still use it if your vampire is in torpor?
Yes, since they don't say it has to be ready to get the blood.
>3. Can you call a bloodhunt against a vampire you control? I know
>this sounds weird, but it actually came up in a game when someone
>gained controll of another methsula's vamp. and then went and
>diabelerized a vamp. in torpor and then called a bloodhunt against the
>vampire he was controling. I think the card used was Malk. Demetia to
>gain control of the vampire.
This is a time-honored tactic, yes :)
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just a few questions:
1. I have a question on the Malk. Derrangement card. It is the master
card where the meth. of the minion affected must flip a coin to see
whether or not his malk. will perform the action successfully or not.
Must the meth. flip a coin if the affected minion is performing a
reaction like a block, or voting (if it is a prince, prim. or just.),
etc. Or does the meth. only flip the coin when he is using the affected
minion on his turn, i.e. only when he is preforming ACTIONS not
REACTIONS, VOTING etc.
2. If you have the blood doll or palatial estate that lets your
vampire get blood, can you still use it if your vampire is in torpor?
3. Can you call a bloodhunt against a vampire you control? I know
this sounds weird, but it actually came up in a game when someone
gained controll of another methsula's vamp. and then went and
diabelerized a vamp. in torpor and then called a bloodhunt against the
vampire he was controling. I think the card used was Malk. Demetia to
gain control of the vampire.
-Rhee
GC wrote:
>
> just a few questions:
>
> 1. I have a question on the Malk. Derrangement card. It is the master
> card where the meth. of the minion affected must flip a coin to see
> whether or not his malk. will perform the action successfully or not.
> Must the meth. flip a coin if the affected minion is performing a
> reaction like a block, or voting (if it is a prince, prim. or just.),
> etc. Or does the meth. only flip the coin when he is using the affected
> minion on his turn, i.e. only when he is preforming ACTIONS not> REACTIONS, VOTING etc.Indeed, it's only used when a Malk takes an ACTION.> 2. If you have the blood doll or palatial estate that lets your> vampire get blood, can you still use it if your vampire is in torpor?Sure, no problem (the cards state nothing about being ready). In a game I
played, I was even able to convince my group I could play a skill card on
a vampire in torpor.
> 3. Can you call a bloodhunt against a vampire you control? I know
> this sounds weird, but it actually came up in a game when someone
> gained controll of another methsula's vamp. and then went and
> diabelerized a vamp. in torpor and then called a bloodhunt against the
> vampire he was controling. I think the card used was Malk. Demetia to> gain control of the vampire.No. It states in the rulebook that, after a vampire diablerises all OTHER
methuselahs can call for a bloodhunt.
> -Rhee
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Joost Hage wrote:
>
> > 3. Can you call a bloodhunt against a vampire you control? I know
> > this sounds weird, but it actually came up in a game when someone
> > gained controll of another methsula's vamp. and then went and
> > diabelerized a vamp. in torpor and then called a bloodhunt against the
> > vampire he was controling. I think the card used was Malk. Demetia to
> > gain control of the vampire.
>
> No. It states in the rulebook that, after a vampire diablerises all OTHER
> methuselahs can call for a bloodhunt.
Although, I don't think it would be too hard to find someone else at the table who
was outraged that Zebulon went and diablerized Muriel, Lady Thunder....
James
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Whoops, something went wron there...Well, here it is again:
GC wrote:
>
> just a few questions:
>
> 1. I have a question on the Malk. Derrangement card. It is the master
> card where the meth. of the minion affected must flip a coin to see
> whether or not his malk. will perform the action successfully or not.
> Must the meth. flip a coin if the affected minion is performing a
> reaction like a block, or voting (if it is a prince, prim. or just.),
> etc. Or does the meth. only flip the coin when he is using the affected
> minion on his turn, i.e. only when he is preforming ACTIONS not
> REACTIONS, VOTING etc.
Indeed, it's only used when a Malk takes an ACTION.
> 2. If you have the blood doll or palatial estate that lets your
> vampire get blood, can you still use it if your vampire is in torpor?
Sure, no problem (the cards state nothing about being ready). In a game I
played, I was even able to convince my group I could play a skill card on
a vampire in torpor.
> 3. Can you call a bloodhunt against a vampire you control? I know> this sounds weird, but it actually came up in a game when someone
> gained controll of another methsula's vamp. and then went and
> diabelerized a vamp. in torpor and then called a bloodhunt against the
> vampire he was controling. I think the card used was Malk. Demetia to
> gain control of the vampire.
No. It states in the rulebook that, after a vampire diablerises all OTHER
methuselahs can call for a bloodhunt.
> -Rhee[ quoted text not captured ]
gac...@ix.netcom.com(GC ) wrote:
>just a few questions:>1. I have a question on the Malk. Derrangement card. It is the master
>card where the meth. of the minion affected must flip a coin to see
>whether or not his malk. will perform the action successfully or not.
>Must the meth. flip a coin if the affected minion is performing a
>reaction like a block, or voting (if it is a prince, prim. or just.),
>etc. Or does the meth. only flip the coin when he is using the affected
>minion on his turn, i.e. only when he is preforming ACTIONS not
>REACTIONS, VOTING etc.>2. If you have the blood doll or palatial estate that lets your
>vampire get blood, can you still use it if your vampire is in torpor?
Blood dolls says nothing about being ready and so I and others have
used it to both put blood on and take it off a vampire in torpor.
Also note the rack still gives you the blood. Palatial estate also
says nothing about being ready.
REF
>3. Can you call a bloodhunt against a vampire you control? I know
>this sounds weird, but it actually came up in a game when someone
>gained controll of another methsula's vamp. and then went and
>diabelerized a vamp. in torpor and then called a bloodhunt against the
>vampire he was controling. I think the card used was Malk. Demetia to
>gain control of the vampire.>-Rhee
GC (gac...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: 3. Can you call a bloodhunt against a vampire you control? I know: this sounds weird, but it actually came up in a game when someone
: gained controll of another methsula's vamp. and then went and
: diabelerized a vamp. in torpor and then called a bloodhunt against the
: vampire he was controling. I think the card used was Malk. Demetia to
: gain control of the vampire.
Not only that, you can have the stolen vamp vote for his own bloodhunt!
I one used Malk Dementia against another person's Lucian, used Lucian to
diablorize one of that person's vampires, I called a blood hunt, and
since Lucian was the only vampire out with votes, he burned himself. The
victim was pissed.
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In article <31187F...@cs.utwente.nl>,
Joost Hage <ha...@cs.utwente.nl> wrote:
>GC wrote:>>>>> 3. Can you call a bloodhunt against a vampire you control? I know
>> this sounds weird, but it actually came up in a game when someone
>> gained controll of another methsula's vamp. and then went and
>> diabelerized a vamp. in torpor and then called a bloodhunt against the
>> vampire he was controling. I think the card used was Malk. Demetia to
>> gain control of the vampire.>>No. It states in the rulebook that, after a vampire diablerises all OTHER
>methuselahs can call for a bloodhunt.
Actually, on page 44 of the V:TES rulebook, it states:
"When a vampire commits diablerie, *ANY* (emphasis mine) Methuselah may
immediately call a vote among the other Methuselahs to decide whether a
"blood hunt" will be called upon the Diabolist."
If this is intended to mean that the controller of the Diabolist cannot
call the Bloodhunt, then it is worded very poorly (in fact, that's NOT
what it says at all). There's no rule saying you can't vote against your
own minion in a Bloodhunt, in any case. If the intention is to keep you
from burning your own minions this way, then the voting would seem the
more important step to keep a Methuselah from doing. I've taken Gilbert
Duane before and had him use his own votes to call a Bloodhunt on
himself. He is, after all, insane. ;)
You might also want to take this tactic if there was some nasty effect or
retainer on the vamp that you wanted to burn or move (or some other
effect you wanted to happen that would be triggered by the vampire being
burned.
-Elfholme
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