gregory winter

hi has anyone the spoiler for this card (gregory winter Rare) can find it in the archive thanks stefan

>hi has anyone the spoiler for this card (gregory winter Rare) >can find it in the archive Have you tried checking the White Wolf forums? Short answer: He's a Unique Ghoul ally who costs 2 pool has 4 life, 1 strength, 1 bleed. During your untap, he burns/loses a life. As a +1 stealth (D) action, he can steal a blood from a vampire controlled by another Methusaleh. He can also burn a vampire in torpor as a (D) action to gain 2 life. Halcyan 2

"Anarch Troublemaker" <a9505...@spamunet.univie.ac.at> wrote in message news:3d63e638$0$14190$3b21...@news.univie.ac.at... > hi has anyone the spoiler for this card (gregory winter Rare) > can find it in the archive I don't have the card with me. But from memory, and I'm pretty sure this is at least mostly accurate: Gregory Winter cost: 2 pool (I think?) Unique ally. 4 life, 1 strength, 1 bleed. Gregory Winter burns one life during your untap phase. He can take a (D) action at +1 stealth to steal a blood from a vampire. He can take a (D) action (at 1 stealth? 0 stealth? I forget) to burn a vampire in torpor and gain 2 life. Josh if memory serves...

[ quoted text not captured ] > if memory serves... Nope. I actually played the card twice in the Pre-release. He doesn't burn one blood during the untap phase. His action to steal a blood costs a blood. Otherwise correct. I don't remember if his action to burn a vamp in torpor is at stealth or not, but I doubt it. Colin Riggs

>> Gregory Winter >> cost: 2 pool (I think?) >> Unique ally. 4 life, 1 strength, 1 bleed. >> >> Gregory Winter burns one life during your untap phase. He can >> take a (D) action at +1 stealth to steal a blood from a >> vampire. He can take a (D) action (at 1 stealth? 0 stealth? I >> forget) to burn a vampire in torpor and gain 2 life. >> >> if memory serves... > >Nope. I actually played the card twice in the Pre-release. He doesn't burn >one blood during the untap phase. His action to steal a blood costs a blood. >Otherwise correct. I don't remember if his action to burn a vamp in torpor >is at stealth or not, but I doubt it. I agree with Josh. I'm pretty sure that Gregory Winter is on "borrowed time" so to speak and burns a blood each turn. Also, I'm pretty sure the steal action is at +1 stealth but the burn vampire part isn't. Halcyan 2

[ quoted text not captured ] Well if that is true, then I cheated during the pre-release. Josh was my prey, he should have noticed. Luckily the Cheating Phase Never Ends! Colin Riggs what do you mean I'm infernal?

"Colin Riggs" <colin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ak30e1$1f8fcq$1...@ID-146737.news.dfncis.de... [ quoted text not captured ] It is true. I was lucky enough to get this guy (who will be a major boon for those Cryptic Mission decks out there, I imagine). You must burn a blood during the untap phase and the action to steal a blood is at stealth, but not to burn the vampire.

"Colin Riggs" <colin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ak30e1$1f8fcq$1...@ID-146737.news.dfncis.de... > Halcyan 2 wrote: > > I agree with Josh. I'm pretty sure that Gregory Winter is on > > "borrowed time" so to speak and burns a blood each turn. Also, I'm > > pretty sure the steal action is at +1 stealth but the burn vampire > > part isn't. > > Well if that is true, then I cheated during the pre-release. Josh was my > prey, he should have noticed. Luckily the Cheating Phase Never Ends! I did notice! That's why he burned when I blocked his steal action and Flamethrowered him! Sheesh. ;-) Cause he started at 4 life, you blocked one of your predator's (Jim's) actions, going to 3, then you burned one during untap, going to 2, then took 2 agg damage and he died. I believe Halcyan's right about the burn action being at 0 stealth, too. > Colin Riggs > what do you mean I'm infernal? You're so infernal it's amazing how infernal you are. Josh infernalest

Joshua Duffin wrote: > "Colin Riggs" <colin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:ak30e1$1f8fcq$1...@ID-146737.news.dfncis.de... >> Halcyan 2 wrote: > >>> I agree with Josh. I'm pretty sure that Gregory Winter is on >>> "borrowed time" so to speak and burns a blood each turn. Also, I'm >>> pretty sure the steal action is at +1 stealth but the burn vampire >>> part isn't. >> >> Well if that is true, then I cheated during the pre-release. Josh >> was my prey, he should have noticed. Luckily the Cheating Phase >> Never Ends! > > I did notice! That's why he burned when I blocked his steal action > and Flamethrowered him! Sheesh. ;-) > > Cause he started at 4 life, you blocked one of your predator's (Jim's) > actions, going to 3, then you burned one during untap, going to 2, > then took 2 agg damage and he died. Nope, Because I took one off for his action even though it got blocked. For some reason I thought he had to pay anyway, Like Kalinda, who probably also doesn't have to pay if the action is blocked. Is it only for card actions that you don't have to pay if they are blocked? > > I believe Halcyan's right about the burn action being at 0 stealth, > too. Yeah it would be a little too powerful if it was at stealth. > >> Colin Riggs >> what do you mean I'm infernal? > > You're so infernal it's amazing how infernal you are. > Oh the pain. Colin Riggs

"Colin Riggs" <colin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ak3d88$1ftnku$1...@ID-146737.news.dfncis.de... > Joshua Duffin wrote: > > I did notice! That's why he burned when I blocked his steal action > > and Flamethrowered him! Sheesh. ;-) > > > > Cause he started at 4 life, you blocked one of your predator's (Jim's) > > actions, going to 3, then you burned one during untap, going to 2, > > then took 2 agg damage and he died. > > Nope, Because I took one off for his action even though it got blocked. For > some reason I thought he had to pay anyway, Like Kalinda, who probably also > doesn't have to pay if the action is blocked. Is it only for card actions > that you don't have to pay if they are blocked? No, any action that has a cost, you don't pay if you're blocked. Goes for Kalinda, Tereza Rostas, any action with a cost, whether or not it has a library card associated with it. And it would for Gregory Winter except that his action doesn't cost anything, he just burns a life during your untap. :-) I have one at my apartment, I'll show you tonight. Or you can actually read your copy when you get home. ;-) Josh thousands of years... of pain

"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<ak341d$1f889q$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>... > "Colin Riggs" <colin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:ak30e1$1f8fcq$1...@ID-146737.news.dfncis.de... > > Halcyan 2 wrote: > > > > I agree with Josh. I'm pretty sure that Gregory Winter is on > > > "borrowed time" so to speak and burns a blood each turn. Also, I'm > > > pretty sure the steal action is at +1 stealth but the burn vampire > > > part isn't. how does an ally steal a blood? does it 'magically' turn into life? because we know that doesn't happen. is it really just an action to burn a blood on a vampire to gain one life? pleeeeease. i need true mechanics. my anus needs retaining. salem.

[ quoted text not captured ] Card text explains. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> > > > > I agree with Josh. I'm pretty sure that Gregory Winter is on > > > > > "borrowed time" so to speak and burns a blood each turn. Also, I'm > > > > > pretty sure the steal action is at +1 stealth but the burn vampire > > > > > part isn't. > > > > how does an ally steal a blood? does it 'magically' turn into life? > > because we know that doesn't happen. > > is it really just an action to burn a blood on a vampire to gain one > > life? > > Card text explains. LOL! This is quite possibly the best answer anyone could give to an anal retentive person. I can just see the steam coming out his ears... [ quoted text not captured ]

>No, any action that has a cost, you don't pay if you're blocked. >Goes for Kalinda, Tereza Rostas, any action with a cost, whether >or not it has a library card associated with it. And it would for >Gregory Winter except that his action doesn't cost anything, he >just burns a life during your untap. :-) Could be wrong, but I thought that the old version of Kalinda required her to burn blood to *attempt* to use her bleed action... Halcyan 2 unsure

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3D662139...@white-wolf.com>... > salem wrote: > > how does an ally steal a blood? does it 'magically' turn into life? > > because we know that doesn't happen. > > is it really just an action to burn a blood on a vampire to gain one > > life? > > Card text explains. but i don't _have_ the card. aw man. you're so mean. i'm awfully tempted to mention that if maybe stinking customs hadn't held up the pre-release product i might have actually gotten a Gregory at the pre-release that i travelled 4 hrs interstate for...but that would just be me being all bitter. O:) salem....still waiting for CE.

Halcyan 2 wrote: > Could be wrong, but I thought that the old version of Kalinda required her to > burn blood to *attempt* to use her bleed action... True. Kalinda's original pay-for-attempt card text was errata'ed to its current form in RTR 23-JUN-1998. That errata was used in the FN reprint. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > Halcyan 2 wrote: >> Could be wrong, but I thought that the old version of Kalinda >> required her to burn blood to *attempt* to use her bleed action... > > True. Kalinda's original pay-for-attempt card text was errata'ed to > its current form in RTR 23-JUN-1998. That errata was used in the FN > reprint. following the basic "you don't pay for an action that's not succesful" template i guess =)