clan impersonate as Daughter

if i clan impersonate arika to a daughter does she stay camarilla? does she keep her title? -- TzimisceLord http://myvtes.free.fr http://sabbatinfrance.free.fr

The Tzimisce Lord wrote: > > if i clan impersonate arika to a daughter does she stay camarilla? No. When you change clans to a clan of a different sect, you change sects. Daughters are Independent. [10] > does she keep her title? She loses the benefit of the title for as long as she remains non-Cam. [10] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > > The Tzimisce Lord wrote: > > > > if i clan impersonate arika to a daughter does she stay camarilla? > > No. > When you change clans to a clan of a different sect, you change sects. > Daughters are Independent. [10] > > > does she keep her title? > > She loses the benefit of the title for as long as she remains non-Cam. [10] > This has probably been asked before but is the title of Inner Circle tied to a clan, so as above, if DOC Arika then gained a Writ of Acceptance, would she become Inner Circle again, or would she need to become Ventrue again? -- Andy "Slytherin" Brown VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge SET awakens, watch out all non-believers

Andy Brown wrote: > This has probably been asked before but is the title of Inner Circle > tied to a clan, so as above, if DOC Arika then gained a Writ of > Acceptance, > would she become Inner Circle again, or would she need to become Ventrue > again? As stated in the section of the rules cited above (that's section 10): No. The former. [ quoted text not captured ]

The Tzimisce Lord <Tzimis...@NOSPAM.seclogd.org> wrote in message news:<3e1d51fe$0$805$afc3...@news.easynet.fr>... > if i clan impersonate arika to a daughter does she stay camarilla? > does she keep her title? Hi, That's the eternal problem of changing of clan and changing of sect. Daughers are independant, so, IMHO, Arika lose her title if she became one of them. Does someone can answer clearly to this kind of questions, for example : - What happens if a Malkavian deranges a Sabbat titled vampire ? - What happens if a !Malkavian deranges a Camarilla titled vampire ? - What happens if a Camarilla titled vampire became Independant (Clan Impersonation) ? if he became Sabbat ? - What happens if a Sabbat titled vampire became Independant (Clan Impersonation) ? if he became Camarilla ? What is the rule concerning Changing Clan and Changing Sect ??? Franck Brujah Archon http://www.parisvekn.com

"Franck" <ber...@tolbiac.inserm.fr> wrote in message news:2126b308.03010...@posting.google.com... > That's the eternal problem of changing of clan and changing of sect. > > Daughers are independant, so, IMHO, Arika lose her title if she became > one of them. Yes, that's correct. > Does someone can answer clearly to this kind of questions, for example > : > > - What happens if a Malkavian deranges a Sabbat titled vampire ? The Sabbat title's benefits are lost until/unless that vamp becomes Sabbat again. > - What happens if a !Malkavian deranges a Camarilla titled vampire ? Same as the one before, except in reverse. :-) > - What happens if a Camarilla titled vampire became Independant (Clan > Impersonation) ? if he became Sabbat ? In either case, he loses the benefit of his title until/unless he becomes Camarilla again. > - What happens if a Sabbat titled vampire became Independant (Clan > Impersonation) ? if he became Camarilla ? Again, in either case, he loses the benefit of his title until/unless he becomes Sabbat again. > What is the rule concerning Changing Clan and Changing Sect ??? If you have a Camarilla Edition rulebook, it's all spelled out in section 10, "Vampire Sects", on p.53. :-) Note that the printed votes on Independent vampires don't have this issue, because they're *not* tied to a sect, unlike things like Bishop, Priscus, Prince, Primogen, and so on. So if Aziz becomes Camarilla, he still has his printed 2 votes. Same if he becomes Sabbat. And Genevieve (has 1 additional vote besides being a Priscus) would keep the additional vote (because it's not from a sect-based title) if she changed sects, too. Josh

Franck wrote: > > The Tzimisce Lord <Tzimis...@NOSPAM.seclogd.org> wrote in message news:<3e1d51fe$0$805$afc3...@news.easynet.fr>... > > if i clan impersonate arika to a daughter does she stay camarilla? > > does she keep her title? > > Hi, > > That's the eternal problem of changing of clan and changing of sect. > > Daughers are independant, so, IMHO, Arika lose her title if she became > one of them. > > Does someone can answer clearly to this kind of questions, for example > : > > - What happens if a Malkavian deranges a Sabbat titled vampire ? The vampire becomes Malkavian (card text). The vampire becomes Camarilla, Malkavian clan's sect [10.1]. > - What happens if a !Malkavian deranges a Camarilla titled vampire ? The vampire becomes Malkavian antitribu (card text). The vampire becomes Sabbat, Malkavian antitribu clan's sect [10.2]. > - What happens if a Camarilla titled vampire became Independant (Clan > Impersonation) ? if he became Sabbat ? He becomes Idenpendent or Sabbat. > - What happens if a Sabbat titled vampire became Independant (Clan > Impersonation) ? if he became Camarilla ? He becomes Independent or Camarilla. > What is the rule concerning Changing Clan and Changing Sect ??? As stated in section 10 of the rules. [ quoted text not captured ]

>if i clan impersonate arika to a daughter does she stay camarilla? >does she keep her title? No. When you change clans, your sect is the default sect of that clan. Thus when Arika CI's to Daughters of Cacophony, she becomes Independent, thus losing the benefits of her Camarilla Inner Circle title. If she becomes Camarilla again (by burning the CI, becoming another clan, gaining a Writ, etc.) she regains the benefits of her title as long as she did not receive a different title in the meantime. Halcyan 2