Jeroen mentioned - Broken Capitalist

Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred Spirits. AT STEALTH! Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really needed a boost, thanks! Why wasn't there an archetype for toolbox decks? MacGuyver Master. Archetype. Put this card on a sabbat vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire remains ready and and does anything but bleed, call a vote, burn an opposing minion or send an opposing minion to torpor, he or she gains 1 blood from the blood bank. A vampire can have only one archetype. chris -- chris shorb <www.vtesinla.org> (A V:TES site) prince of torrance, california *** Into the abyss I'll fall - the eye of Horus Into the eyes of the night - watching me go Green is the cat's eye that glows - in this temple Enter the risen Osiris - risen again - Dickinson

Chris Shorb <chr...@vtesinla.org> wrote in message news:<3FBC758C...@vtesinla.org>... > Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred > Spirits. AT STEALTH! > Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really > needed a boost, thanks! My sentiments exactly. On top of that, it removes the dissadvantages of both Eddy Gaines and Zoė.

"Chris Shorb" <chr...@vtesinla.org> wrote > > Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred > Spirits. AT STEALTH! > Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really > needed a boost, thanks! Now we need an Anarch card called "anti-capitalist" :) (Only Smiling Tom will laugh at this, but I couldn't resist.) > Why wasn't there an archetype for toolbox decks? > > MacGuyver > Master. Archetype. > Put this card on a sabbat vampire you control. Once per turn, when this > vampire remains ready and and does anything but bleed, call a vote, burn > an opposing minion or send an opposing minion to torpor, he or she gains > 1 blood from the blood bank. A vampire can have only one archetype. Too much pool gain with a Blood Doll. You don't even have to pretend to hunt with this card. Helps wall decks more than toolboxy decks. Maybe force them to do *something* :) Improvised Flamethrower has MacGyver vibes all over it. Probably made it with a paperclip, a sausage and an old tea bag. Cheers, WES

[ quoted text not captured ] Why? Capitalist can only be played on a Sabbat vampire. And neither Eddy nor Zoė are Sabbat vampires. Capitalist Master: archetype. Put this card on a Sabbat vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire successfully bleeds his or her prey, he or she gains 1 blood from the blood bank. A vampire can have only one archetype. Greetings, Damnans

Wes expounded: > Now we need an Anarch card called "anti-capitalist" :) > > (Only Smiling Tom will laugh at this, but I couldn't resist.) How about: Protest March Ally 1 pool 10 life 0 strength 0 bleed Protest march has 5 intercept and can attempt to block any action. Burn this ally if it attempts to block an action. Protest March may not take any action. :-)

joen...@hotmail.com (Jeroen) wrote in message news:<5f0d2397.03112...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Except neither are Sabbat... -Peter

"Timlagor" <Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote > > Protest March > Ally 1 pool > 10 life 0 strength 0 bleed > Protest march has 5 intercept and can attempt to block any action. Burn > this ally if it attempts to block an action. **Protest March may not take > any action.** You know, that last line pretty much sums up most of the protests I have been involved in :) Cheers, WES

joen...@hotmail.com (Jeroen) wrote in message news:<5f0d2397.03112...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] I don't see how it removes the disad of Zoe - sure, it means once in a while she'll gain a blood through a non-hunt action and hunt less often, but it's not like Zoe's going to play a lot of blood-costing stealth cards to get those bleeds through in the first place, when so many zero-blood stealth cards are available to her, and neither of the main Dementation bleed boosters uses blood either. I'd expect that most of the time any blood Zoe gains will wash right off of her... More importantly, neither Zoe nor Eddie is a legal target for Capitalist, which can only be played on a Sabbat vampire. -John Flournoy

Wes expounded: [ quoted text not captured ] I'm glad it was appreciated ;)

"Chris Shorb" <chr...@vtesinla.org> wrote in message news:3FBC758C...@vtesinla.org... > Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred > Spirits. AT STEALTH! > Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really > needed a boost, thanks! Dude. Imagine you used Artemis instead. You'd have OBF instead of obf and in three turns you'd be netting a profit on not being Infernal. Or Dolphin Black. And then you get AUS too. If Capitalist is broken, well, I'll be surprised. At best it's as good as playing Life in the City every turn, except you get to save some card slots after the first turn. Josh not that likely to play capitalist in place of: dreams of the sphinx blood doll the barrens secure haven

Joshua Duffin expounded: > Dude. Imagine you used Artemis instead. You'd have OBF instead of obf > and in three turns you'd be netting a profit on not being Infernal. > > Or Dolphin Black. And then you get AUS too. > > If Capitalist is broken, well, I'll be surprised. At best it's as good > as playing Life in the City every turn, except you get to save some card > slots after the first turn. Those card slots are a BIG difference. It's certainly extremely powerful and there are some nasty obf(/aus) combat cards.

"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> escribió en el mensaje news:bpib3...@enews4.newsguy.com... > > "Chris Shorb" <chr...@vtesinla.org> wrote > > > > Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred > > Spirits. AT STEALTH! > > Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really > > needed a boost, thanks! > > Now we need an Anarch card called "anti-capitalist" :) > > (Only Smiling Tom will laugh at this, but I couldn't resist.) > You are right. :-D Perhaps something like: Financial sabotage Master 2 pool Requires a ready anarch. All anarchs you control may do a D action to burn a location controlled by another methuselah or an investment card in play. Discard a Computer Hacking from your hand to attempt this action. or Unauthorised march Action, 3 way 1 blood Requires a ready anarch. pre: (D)Burn a location controled by another methuselah. If this action is blocked, opposing minion recieves 1 damage during each strike resolution. dem: (D) Enter combat with any titled vampire. That vampire cannot play strike cards during the first round of combat ser: (D) Steal a mortal ally or retainer controlled by another methuselah. Princes and archbishops have -1 intercept when attempting to block this action. <snipped> > Cheers, > WES > Smiling Tom

Joshua Duffin wrote: > "Chris Shorb" <chr...@vtesinla.org> wrote in message > news:3FBC758C...@vtesinla.org... > >>Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred >>Spirits. AT STEALTH! >>Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really >>needed a boost, thanks! > > > Dude. Imagine you used Artemis instead. You'd have OBF instead of obf > and in three turns you'd be netting a profit on not being Infernal. > > Or Dolphin Black. And then you get AUS too. > > If Capitalist is broken, well, I'll be surprised. At best it's as good > as playing Life in the City every turn, except you get to save some card > slots after the first turn. At best it's way better than that, since you can have one on each of your vampires. Flux

"Flux" <fl...@netc.pt> wrote in message news:bpj6im$1pij3q$1...@ID-121674.news.uni-berlin.de... > Joshua Duffin wrote: > > If Capitalist is broken, well, I'll be surprised. At best it's as good > > as playing Life in the City every turn, except you get to save some card > > slots after the first turn. > > At best it's way better than that, since you can have one on each of your > vampires. Sure, true, but then you don't save the card slots. You're right though, in theory you can get multiple blood per turn from multiple Capitalists. Nonetheless, I challenge anyone to make a deck that abuses Capitalist. Getting a blood a turn for something you were going to do anyway doesn't totally suck, which is why it's probably the best of the Archetypes. But a blood a turn isn't exactly off the charts in power, either. Josh bloodied at every turn

"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bpj88c$1p81av$1...@ID-121616.news.uni-berlin.de... [ quoted text not captured ] The place i see it becoming a problem is Rachel Brandywine/Homunculus/Madness Network. That might get nasty. Oscar

"skippy" <ski...@dontspammetamu.edu> wrote in message news:bpjd9j$r9h$1...@news.tamu.edu... [re Capitalist] > The place i see it becoming a problem is Rachel > Brandywine/Homunculus/Madness Network. > That might get nasty. Gotta go Sabbat first. Though that is possible now that Into the Fire exists. Probably the nastiest idea I've heard of so far, though not *that* much nastier I would think than existing Rachel decks. It's not like she starts without enough blood to pay for a bunch of Homunculus untaps. :-) I would somewhat seriously suggest that Madness Network is the real power card in that combo, too. Josh super rachel action!

<snip> How about: Name: "Make Anarchs Useful, and why not boost assamites and !gangrel as well" Cost: 1 blood Card Text: Only usable when a vampire younger than this anarch is bleeding you. Tap this reacting Anarch. The vampire bleeding you is now bleeding your prey. (OBF/CEL) As above, but the vampire may be of the same age or older as this reacting anarch. how about that? :) -Bram Vink

flou...@rcn.com (John Flournoy) wrote in message news:<57327a82.0311...@posting.google.com>... > joen...@hotmail.com (Jeroen) wrote in message news:<5f0d2397.03112...@posting.google.com>... > > Chris Shorb <chr...@vtesinla.org> wrote in message news:<3FBC758C...@vtesinla.org>... > > > Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred > > > Spirits. AT STEALTH! > > > Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really > > > needed a boost, thanks! > > > > My sentiments exactly. > > > > On top of that, it removes the dissadvantages of both Eddy Gaines and Zoė. > > I don't see how it removes the disad of Zoe - sure, it means once in a > while she'll gain a blood through a non-hunt action and hunt less > often, but it's not like Zoe's going to play a lot of blood-costing > stealth cards to get those bleeds through in the first place, when so > many zero-blood stealth cards are available to her, and neither of the > main Dementation bleed boosters uses blood either. Zoe has Dementation? cards that use Zoe's blood: blood doll and Telepathic Misdirection. And now you can regain one blood by playing, say a Night Moves. That's AND a bleed AND 3 stealth more than her hunting action. > >I'd expect that > most of the time any blood Zoe gains will wash right off of her... > > More importantly, neither Zoe nor Eddie is a legal target for > Capitalist, which can only be played on a Sabbat vampire. > "Sabbatness" is only a trifle away.

"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bpj88c$1p81av$1...@ID-121616.news.uni-berlin.de>... [ quoted text not captured ] OK, it's probably not broken as in "changing the way the game is played"-broken, BUT the point is that the best Archtype has been given to a decktype that was already powerful enough. The low-midcap Dem bleeder has been helped in so many ways by Black Hand: Midget, The Colonel, the card that lets you search a card from your library (name?), Gemini's Mirror and of course Capitalist. J

"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote > > Nonetheless, I challenge anyone to make a deck that abuses Capitalist. It seems like it would be very useful for the Baali actually. People I've seen try to make Baali S&B seem to pay for their infernal costs with Blood Dolls and Social Charms/Legal Manipulations. This will reduce each card's interdependence quite a bit. And the new Path won't hurt either. I'm not sure if that qualifies for abuse really. Capitalism does seem like a very strong card to me, but nowhere near broken. Cheers, WES (Capitalism broken? Time to brush up on Marx again)

Chris Shorb <chr...@vtesinla.org> writes: > Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred > Spirits. AT STEALTH! > Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really > needed a boost, thanks! But rush combat, the bane of stealth bleed, also recieved a boost. All those Sociopathic Shakars Bricklaying your Haven and taking their pals Mateusz and Ignazio with them. You must know the warm and tingly feeling you get, when you're playing a rush deck and you notice that your prey is a stealth bleeder... >:-) -- hg@ It's better to open your mouth and appear stupid, iki.fi than to hold it shut and keep thinking you know it all.

"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:<bpkl3...@enews3.newsguy.com>... > "Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote > > > > Nonetheless, I challenge anyone to make a deck that abuses Capitalist. > > It seems like it would be very useful for the Baali actually. Are the Baali Sabbat? -Peter

"Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote > > > > It seems like it would be very useful for the Baali actually. > > Are the Baali Sabbat? Ahh right. I don't have any cards yet. I should probably wait before I start breaking the new cards in. Of course you could always play Into the Fire and then Capitalist I guess... not quite as good though. Cheers, WES

"Jeroen" <joen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5f0d2397.03112...@posting.google.com... [re Capitalist] > OK, it's probably not broken as in "changing the way the game is > played"-broken, BUT the point is that the best Archtype has been given > to a decktype that was already powerful enough. The interesting thing (well, I find it interesting) is that it's the best Archetype *because* it goes to the best decktype. Bleeding is the easiest thing to succeed at -> bleed decks are in many ways the strongest decks -> the bleed Archetype is the best one. It's kind of self-reinforcing, if you see what I mean: when you make a similar card for various strategies, the bleed one is inherently likely to be the strongest, and then it may therefore make the bleed strategy even stronger. I do think that the countervailing force of "bleed already has so many good cards that new ones have to compete for cardslots with them" has a significant effect, though. Not that this necessarily excuses the principle. After all, "weenie decks need no help" and one could easily make the same argument for bleed decks. :-) > The low-midcap Dem bleeder has been helped in so many ways by Black > Hand: Midget, The Colonel, the card that lets you search a card from > your library (name?), Gemini's Mirror and of course Capitalist. The search card is Sibyl's Tongue and it's a !Malkavian-requiring action. I think that card is interesting and potentially powerful, but it's limited by both being an action (thus competing not only for cardslots but also actions available, and slowing down your ability to use the card you go get) and by costing an increasing amount of blood to search multiple times (cost of the card is X, where X is the number of Sibyl's Tongues already in your ash heap). Josh tongued by a sibyl (the lesser-known spinoff of touched by an angel) (now appearing on FOX!)

> > > > Hi, my name is Midget, I am a Capitalist. But it's ok, we're Kindred > > > > Spirits. AT STEALTH! > > > > Throw a Blood Doll on dude, and it's all crazy. Stealth Bleed really > > > > needed a boost, thanks! > > > > > > My sentiments exactly. > > > > > > On top of that, it removes the dissadvantages of both Eddy Gaines and Zoė. > > > > I don't see how it removes the disad of Zoe - sure, it means once in a > > while she'll gain a blood through a non-hunt action and hunt less > > often, but it's not like Zoe's going to play a lot of blood-costing > > stealth cards to get those bleeds through in the first place, when so > > many zero-blood stealth cards are available to her, and neither of the > > main Dementation bleed boosters uses blood either. > > Zoe has Dementation? cards that use Zoe's blood: blood doll and > Telepathic Misdirection. And now you can regain one blood by playing, > say a Night Moves. That's AND a bleed AND 3 stealth more than her > hunting action. > > > More importantly, neither Zoe nor Eddie is a legal target for > > Capitalist, which can only be played on a Sabbat vampire. > > > "Sabbatness" is only a trifle away. True, although then you're no longer able to say "Capitalist removes Zoe's disadvantage, you're now saying "Capitalism combined with Into the Fire removes it", and I'm okay with that. And with regards to the above comments about Zoe: Yes, you can regain a blood through Night Moves. Without Night Moves (or some other card to stealth her bleed), Capitalist doesn't really help at all. If you were already putting Night Moves or other stealth cards in your deck for Zoe, that means you weren't planning to have Zoe hunt in the first place, but bleed bleed bleed. Yes, Capitalist/Into The Fire lets you do 'Blood Doll/Night Moves' instead of how you would play 'Blood Doll/I'll hunt cardlessly' on a similar vampire. Again, I'm totally okay with Capitalist 'removing Zoe's disadvantage' in a fashion that is only reliably effective by both Into the Fire and also the use of even more cards beyond that. Having to play a (at least) three-card combo to undo a vampire's disadvantage is hardly a reason for concern or to claim it makes one of the cards additionally powerful, to me. -John Flournoy

Joshua Duffin expounded: > The interesting thing (well, I find it interesting) is that it's the > best Archetype *because* it goes to the best decktype. Bleeding is the > easiest thing to succeed at -> bleed decks are in many ways the > strongest decks -> the bleed Archetype is the best one. It's kind of > self-reinforcing, if you see what I mean: when you make a similar card > for various strategies, the bleed one is inherently likely to be the > strongest, and then it may therefore make the bleed strategy even > stronger. That's just not why it's the most potent Archetype. All you need to bleed successfully is have enough stealth. Every other archetype requires something rather more than this though Guru is fairly close in power. Creep Show relies entirely on the opponent to give you the blood -and when you get the blood it's because of something you didn't really want the opponent to do. Sociopath would need to trigger whenever you do damage to another minion (once a turn/table-round) in order to be equivalent. I think it's a shame that all the archetypes are Sabbat-only.

Timlagor wrote: > That's just not why it's the most potent Archetype. All you need to > bleed successfully is have enough stealth. ... and not have the bleed reduced to zero or less. ... and (for Capitalist's "your prey" requirement) not be bounced to someone other than your prey. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Timlagor" <Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:MPG.1a288cfd7...@news.freeserve.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Yes, exactly. I'm not clear on how you're disagreeing with me. :-) Bleeding is the easiest thing to do because as you say all you normally need to do to succeed at it is generate some stealth, since it's an action inherent to every vampire. Passing votes, winning fights: these require more cards or more effort, typically. That's a significant advantage that bleed has over other deck types. Actually, you could be disagreeing on my apparent claim of causality, and you might be right to do so. Capitalist may not exactly be the best *because* bleed is the easiest/strongest thing to do as *for the same reason* that bleed is the easiest/strongest thing to do. > I think it's a shame that all the archetypes are Sabbat-only. I think someone told me, for what it's worth, that the World of Darkness background is the reason these archetypes are only for Sabbat. Maybe someone here can confirm or refute that? Josh archrival

LSJ expounded: > ... and not have the bleed reduced to zero or less. Hmm. true I suppose. > ... and (for Capitalist's "your prey" requirement) not be bounced to > someone other than your prey. Yeah missed that :)

Joshua Duffin expounded: > Actually, you could be disagreeing on my apparent claim of causality, > and you might be right to do so. Capitalist may not exactly be the best > *because* bleed is the easiest/strongest thing to do as *for the same > reason* that bleed is the easiest/strongest thing to do. That's the one :-) Bleed is also strongest because it directly attacks the life of your prey without any complications: this is of no benefit to capitalist.

Josh wrote: >Nonetheless, I challenge anyone to make a deck that abuses Capitalist. OMG, Captialist is like soooooooooooo br0k3n, LOL? Etrius -> Capitalist -> Ankara -> Pulse -> Rutor's Bleed with Forgery/Perfect Clarity/Horrific Countenance and only pay 1 blood net. Which you can regain by hunting after untapping via Rutor's! ;) Seriously, Captialist + Forgery would be interesting, but I don't know what you'd do with the 2 blood per action. Play Ravnos perhaps? Or Blood Brothers? It does lend an interesting Ravnos-ish theme (even though the general Ravnos WoD theme is sucky). >Getting a blood a turn for something you were going to do anyway doesn't >totally suck, which is why it's probably the best of the Archetypes. I'm pretty excited about Creep Show, myself. If I don't have a grapple in hand, I don't waste extra cards, and hey, I get a blood. With which I can Freak Drive or something. Sociopath excites me less, even though it's "better". And Creep Show is a trifle. Yay! >But a blood a turn isn't exactly off the charts in power, either. 2 blood, though. That's just wrong. If vampires were meant to get 2 blood a turn, they'd have been given two mouths. Or something. Xian with the extra mouths and the biting and the hurting and the nice lady

> That's just not why it's the most potent Archetype. All you need to > bleed successfully is have enough stealth. Every other archetype > requires something rather more than this though Guru is fairly close in > power. Creep Show relies entirely on the opponent to give you the blood > -and when you get the blood it's because of something you didn't really > want the opponent to do. Sociopath would need to trigger whenever you do > damage to another minion (once a turn/table-round) in order to be > equivalent. But it still has a huge weakness. You don't get the blood if the bleed is bounced. It says only if you successfully bleed your prey, not just anyone. Best of all, you can only have 1 on the vamp. > I think it's a shame that all the archetypes are Sabbat-only. I'd give a good wager that some of the types of cards (Archetype and others such as Watchtower) will get new boosts in the next set. And other thing, this is just a minor boost that will hopefully silence the people who think "oh boo hoo, <whine whine> the Cam sect is more powerful then anyone else, boo hoo". Yer whining about a card game fer Sutekh's sake! adios, Jamie The Seppo

Xian <xi...@visi.com> wrote in message news:<qocvrvsvca1mm62co...@4ax.com>... > I'm pretty excited about Creep Show, myself. If I don't have a > grapple in hand, I don't waste extra cards, and hey, I get a blood. > With which I can Freak Drive or something. Sociopath excites me less, > even though it's "better". And Creep Show is a trifle. Yay! I'm really* excited about Creep Show + Monomancy synergy. Sure, the reacting vamp COULD choose to end combat before range is chosen, but then they've fallen into my trap--the Monomancing vampire gains 1 blood!!! Muahahhahahaahhaha! I laugh all the way to the bank! -mummy * "really" should be read as "sarcastically"

"Xian" <xi...@visi.com> wrote in message news:qocvrvsvca1mm62co...@4ax.com... > Josh wrote: > >Nonetheless, I challenge anyone to make a deck that abuses Capitalist. > > OMG, Captialist is like soooooooooooo br0k3n, LOL? > > Etrius -> Capitalist -> Ankara -> Pulse -> Rutor's > Bleed with Forgery/Perfect Clarity/Horrific Countenance and only pay 1 > blood net. > > Which you can regain by hunting after untapping via Rutor's! > > ;) > > Seriously, Captialist + Forgery would be interesting, but I don't know > what you'd do with the 2 blood per action. Play Ravnos perhaps? Or > Blood Brothers? It does lend an interesting Ravnos-ish theme (even > though the general Ravnos WoD theme is sucky). Dude, what's not serious about Etrius bleeding for 5 unblockably and half-unbounceably for 1 blood a turn?? Serious as cancer, man!! :-) Capitalist + Forgery = so appropriate! It's the Enron deck! Obviously the Ventrue must be involved. > 2 blood, though. That's just wrong. If vampires were meant to get 2 > blood a turn, they'd have been given two mouths. Or something. hahahahahahahaha! That was awesome. :-) Josh it doesn't take five brains to see that!

"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bpt7qe$1rjknb$1...@ID-121616.news.uni-berlin.de>... > Dude, what's not serious about Etrius bleeding for 5 unblockably and > half-unbounceably for 1 blood a turn?? Serious as cancer, man!! :-) Don't forget the FREE and BROKEN dominate modifiers Command of the Beast and Threats. 8 bleed. Oh wait, 9, because Conditioning is free with Ankara as well. > Capitalist + Forgery = so appropriate! It's the Enron deck! Obviously > the Ventrue must be involved. Obviously! I think I'll have to make this deck soon. What are the Ventrue going to do with the blood, though? Majesty? Just yell, "Not in the face"? > > 2 blood, though. That's just wrong. If vampires were meant to get 2 > > blood a turn, they'd have been given two mouths. Or something. > > hahahahahahahaha! That was awesome. :-) Heh. Wait until you see my new plan for ultimate victory. (Hint: it involves Hesha, Inscription, Forgery, and the Feeding Razor. And maybe a few Blood Dolls.) Xian Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!

xb...@qwest.net (Xian) wrote in message news:<dbc1153.03112...@posting.google.com>... > > Capitalist + Forgery = so appropriate! It's the Enron deck! Obviously > > the Ventrue must be involved. > > Obviously! I think I'll have to make this deck soon. What are the > Ventrue going to do with the blood, though? Majesty? Just yell, "Not > in the face"? Perhaps they'll use it to pay for the damage/freak drives used for the Daring the Dawn/Rapid Heal cycle that lets those Forgery bleeds through unblocked, or perhaps to pay for their Deflections. Of course, the Ventrue can't be capitalists without joining the Sabbat first. So maybe a !Ventrue deck, and use the extra blood to pay for Pulses... > Xian -John Flournoy