[LSJ] Two weird questions

LSJ or anyone who isn't at Gen Con. Two weird interactions came up tonight. Don't know what happens. 1. Vampire with AUS calls a vote. Someone plays Vox Sennis (? the one that makes a vote fail automatically). Can the acting vampire play Telepathic Vote Counting to put the vote back in his hand after the Vox Sennis has been played? 2. The Baron is in a fight with Blythe Candeleria. Blythe strikes with Blood Fury. The Baron plays Ashes to Ashes at superior Thanatosis. a. Can Ashes to Ashes prevent the damage from the Blood Fury, as AtA may or may not be a card that requires fortitude when played at the THN level. b. If AtA cannot prevent the damage, what happens? Is the damage applied, vampire untaps, goes to torpor, gains 2 blood? Does the vampire untap, gain 2 blood, take the damage, go to torpor? Something else? Thanks, Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6 "Mr. President, ask not what your rest home can do for you. Ask what you can do for your rest home." -Elvis

"Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> a écrit dans le message de news:BD4C5BE1.18F7F%pd...@lightlink.com... > LSJ or anyone who isn't at Gen Con. > > Two weird interactions came up tonight. Don't know what happens. > > 1. Vampire with AUS calls a vote. Someone plays Vox Sennis (? the one that > makes a vote fail automatically). Can the acting vampire play Telepathic > Vote Counting to put the vote back in his hand after the Vox Sennis has been > played? like most cards, the vox sennis effect takes place immediatly : the referendum fails without going further in any step and the action ends. so you have no opportunity to play the TVC "in response" of the vox sennis being bled. > 2. The Baron is in a fight with Blythe Candeleria. Blythe strikes with Blood > Fury. The Baron plays Ashes to Ashes at superior Thanatosis. > > a. Can Ashes to Ashes prevent the damage from the Blood Fury, as AtA may or > may not be a card that requires fortitude when played at the THN level. lsj already answered this, kind of : when you play ashes to ashes with thn, you actually play a card that requires thn, not a card that requires for. so yes, you can prevent the blood fury. it's that simple ;)

Peter D Bakija wrote: > LSJ or anyone who isn't at Gen Con. > > Two weird interactions came up tonight. Don't know what happens. > > 1. Vampire with AUS calls a vote. Someone plays Vox Sennis (? the one that > makes a vote fail automatically). Vox Domini ;-) > Can the acting vampire play Telepathic > Vote Counting to put the vote back in his hand after the Vox Sennis has been > played? I would say he or she can, because a referendum usually fails when you do not have enough votes to make it pass, in which case you are allowed to play Telepathic Vote Counting to put the political action card used in that referendum back in your hand. Vox Domini is another way to make a referendum fail. > 2. The Baron is in a fight with Blythe Candeleria. Blythe strikes with Blood > Fury. The Baron plays Ashes to Ashes at superior Thanatosis. > > a. Can Ashes to Ashes prevent the damage from the Blood Fury, as AtA may or > may not be a card that requires fortitude when played at the THN level. Correct. A card is considered to require a given discipline when it is played using that specific discipline. [...] Greetings, Damnans -- http://www.almadrava.net/damnans http://www.vtes.net

Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote in message news:<BD4C5BE1.18F7F%pd...@lightlink.com>... > LSJ or anyone who isn't at Gen Con. > > Two weird interactions came up tonight. Don't know what happens. > > 1. Vampire with AUS calls a vote. Someone plays Vox Sennis (? the one that > makes a vote fail automatically). Can the acting vampire play Telepathic > Vote Counting to put the vote back in his hand after the Vox Sennis has been > played? > > 2. The Baron is in a fight with Blythe Candeleria. Blythe strikes with Blood > Fury. The Baron plays Ashes to Ashes at superior Thanatosis. > > a. Can Ashes to Ashes prevent the damage from the Blood Fury, as AtA may or > may not be a card that requires fortitude when played at the THN level. > > b. If AtA cannot prevent the damage, what happens? Is the damage applied, > vampire untaps, goes to torpor, gains 2 blood? Does the vampire untap, gain > 2 blood, take the damage, go to torpor? Something else? > > Thanks, > 1. It is Vox Domini who makes the referendum fail. You have the chance to play telepathic vote counting inferior, because both are played during the referendum. So, you can play it and the referendum is considered canceled and not failed. 2. Ashes to Ashes played at Thn level can prevent blood fury damage, because the rules say the following: Consider a multi-discipline card requiring discipline "A" or discipline "B", if you play it at discipline "A" level, then it is considered to be a card that requires discipline "A". For other purposes, except playing it, e.g. retrieval from Ash-heap, it is considered to require discipline "A" or discipline "B", whatever suits you. George.

Damnans wrote: > I would say he or she can, because a referendum usually fails when you > do not > have enough votes to make it pass, in which case you are allowed to play > Telepathic Vote Counting to put the political action card used in that > referendum back in your hand. Mmmm. Don't think so. TVC is played during a referendum; if the referendum has already failed, it's timing window has passed. During the referendum, it can be obvious that it's going to fail, but you can't wait until the referendum is actually over to play TVC. --Colin McGuigan

"Reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:41272fb5$0$11145$79c1...@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net... > > "Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> a écrit dans le message de > news:BD4C5BE1.18F7F%pd...@lightlink.com... > > LSJ or anyone who isn't at Gen Con. > > > > Two weird interactions came up tonight. Don't know what happens. > > > > 1. Vampire with AUS calls a vote. Someone plays Vox Sennis (? the one that > > makes a vote fail automatically). Can the acting vampire play Telepathic > > Vote Counting to put the vote back in his hand after the Vox Sennis has > been > > played? > > like most cards, the vox sennis effect takes place immediatly : the > referendum fails without going further in any step and the action ends. > so you have no opportunity to play the TVC "in response" of the vox sennis > being bled. Correct. > > 2. The Baron is in a fight with Blythe Candeleria. Blythe strikes with > Blood > > Fury. The Baron plays Ashes to Ashes at superior Thanatosis. > > > > a. Can Ashes to Ashes prevent the damage from the Blood Fury, as AtA may > or > > may not be a card that requires fortitude when played at the THN level. > > lsj already answered this, kind of : > when you play ashes to ashes with thn, you actually play a card that > requires thn, not a card that requires for. so yes, you can prevent the > blood fury. it's that simple ;) Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu