Hi,
I have a problem of interpretation for 'Major Boon'. I understand
that it can be applied in a game with more than two players but I have an
opponnent using it in every duel we play.
This use implies that he 'bleeds me' but prevents the bleed
by taking his own bleed and applying a 'Major Boon'. If in the future I
manage to bleed him by a substantial amount he would use the Boon against me.
For how I see it he is Bleeding himself to use the boon and I would
be Bleeding myself later on in the game. Is Bleeding onself possible ?
Can a vampire suck his own blood ????
Is my interpretation correct ?
Nico
om...@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
In article <3nenr3$2...@jaffacake.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
es...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Omega) wrote:
> This use implies that he 'bleeds me' but prevents the bleed
> by taking his own bleed and applying a 'Major Boon'. If in the future I
> manage to bleed him by a substantial amount he would use the Boon against me.
Well, this is not a legal use of the card. There is an ongoing debate as
to the appropriateness of the DT ruling, but right now it stands that Out
of Turn Master cards cannot be played on your own turn. The corrected
rules clearly states that OOT's are cards you play when it is not your
turn. In the original rules, the only restriction was playing an OOT
whenever appropriate, but not in your own master phase.
So, under the current interpretation, your friend could not play a major
boon to take his own bleed. So, if it is a two player game, he could not
play the card at all.
hope this helped
stephen
In article <3nenr3$2...@jaffacake.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
Omega <es...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>Hi,
> I have a problem of interpretation for 'Major Boon'. I understand
>that it can be applied in a game with more than two players but I have an
>opponnent using it in every duel we play.> This use implies that he 'bleeds me' but prevents the bleed
>by taking his own bleed and applying a 'Major Boon'. If in the future I
>manage to bleed him by a substantial amount he would use the Boon against me.
>> For how I see it he is Bleeding himself to use the boon and I would
>be Bleeding myself later on in the game. Is Bleeding onself possible ?
>Can a vampire suck his own blood ????
Officially, he can't play Major Boon in a two-player game because
the only bleed another Methuselah will be taking will occur on his turn,
and you can't play Major Boon (an Out-of-Turn Master) on your own turn.
But, in general, no you can't bleed yourself.
And this has nothing to do with playing Minor Boon, since you
are only *paying* for someone else being bled, not actually taking
the bleed yourself (You cannot Deflect or Tel. Counter, for example).
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L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com)
Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rules' Monger
es...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Omega) writes:
> This use implies that he 'bleeds me' but prevents the bleed
>by taking his own bleed and applying a 'Major Boon'. If in the future I
>manage to bleed him by a substantial amount he would use the Boon against me.
> For how I see it he is Bleeding himself to use the boon and I would
>be Bleeding myself later on in the game. Is Bleeding onself possible ?
>Can a vampire suck his own blood ????
(a) bleeding isn't (always) literally sucking blood, despite the picture on
the card. Why would a laptop help you suck blood?
(b) the vampires are doing the bleeding, but don't know who they're working
for. So if he steps in to take the bleed, or forces you to do likewise,
they wouldn't know they were bleeding their own master
(c) the current ruling (IMO silly) says you can't use out-of-turn masters on
your own turn, so this strategy is technically illegal.
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Aaron Mandelbaum
Stingray (cs...@csv.warwick.ac.uk) wrote:
: lsc...@crl.com (L. Scott Johnson) writes:
: >Officially, he can't play Major Boon in a two-player game because: >the only bleed another Methuselah will be taking will occur on his turn,
: >and you can't play Major Boon (an Out-of-Turn Master) on your own turn.: I thought it was perfectly legal to play ONE "Master: Out-of-turn" in
: your own turn.
This is the viewpoint Scott also prefers, and seems to have been the
intent of the original rules given the way many of the OOTM cards are
worded and the original wording of the rules booklet. The revised rules,
however, state quite clearly that one cannot play OOTM on one's own turn.
: Any objections?
Several, the most prominent being those of the Design Team, who have
officially ruled as stated above. Many people also feel that the ability
to play an OOTM on one's own turn makes several of the OOTM cards
unbalancing, and the game more unbalanced as a whole - other than Minor
Boon, however, nobody has really given a good argument for which OOTMs
are abusive in this fashion (IIRC).
Personally, I've changed stance from total agreement with the official
ruling to neutrality - I'll go with the official rule as a default, but
no longer have any real strong objections to the other way either (except
for the aforementioned Minor Boon, which I still think should be strictly
not on one's own turn, and thus still useless in a 2-player situation).
Shane Travis | If you can't grant someone else's reasoning as
sht...@duke.usask.ca | superior when it plainly is, what's the point
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | of reasoning at all?
| - Harry Turtledove, _Prince of the North_
cs...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Stingray) wrote:
> I thought it was perfectly legal to play ONE "Master: Out-of-turn" in> your own turn. This simply takes up the Master phase of your next turn
> and it is not restricted to be played outside your own turn. The way I
> see it you can play it inside or outside your turn. That means you can
> play a regular Master in your Master phase and an one additional "Master:
> out-of-turn" any time. You can't play a second "Master: Out-of-turn"
> until you missed the Master phase equalling the first "Master: Out-of-turn".
> Any objections?
Peace be with you,
Yes, but I just got done with a long thread about this. Suffice it to say
the revised (read official) rules state that you may not play OoTMs during
your turn.
Nil carborundum illigitimi,
James R. McClure Jr.
The OS/2 Apostle
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cs...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Stingray) writes:
>I thought it was perfectly legal to play ONE "Master: Out-of-turn" in
>your own turn. This simply takes up the Master phase of your next turn
>and it is not restricted to be played outside your own turn. The way I
>see it you can play it inside or outside your turn. That means you can
>play a regular Master in your Master phase and an one additional "Master:
>out-of-turn" any time. You can't play a second "Master: Out-of-turn"
>until you missed the Master phase equalling the first "Master: Out-of-turn".
>Any objections?
Yes, there are people who object. I'd say they were just being silly, but
the design team seems to agree with them :(
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Aaron Mandelbaum