Simple Deflection question - LSJ

Hello LSJ, I've searched the group for this before, found several answers, but was unable to find the one with your confirmation on the ruling. Hence the following question, simply to avoid further disputes. Meth A bleeds Meth B (me) with vampire X Meth B declines to block, waiting for a bleed modifier Meth A declines to play a bleed modifier Meth B decides to play Deflection anyway (bouncing the bleed for 1 to his prey) At this point Meth A states that Meth B cannot play Deflection, since Meth A hasn't played any action modifiers after Meth B declined to block, and therefore Meth B does not get the opportunity to react anymore (stating that in this case Meth B can only react after Meth A plays an action mod.). Meth B says this is not correct and states that reactions such as bounce / bleed reduction can be played at any time until the action resolves (i.e. until Meth B actually loses pool). Is that correct? Many thanks in advance

Marcin Szybkowski <mszyb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello LSJ, > I've searched the group for this before, found several answers, but > was unable to find the one with your confirmation on the ruling. Hence > the following question, simply to avoid further disputes. > Meth A bleeds Meth B (me) with vampire X > Meth B declines to block, waiting for a bleed modifier > Meth A declines to play a bleed modifier > Meth B decides to play Deflection anyway (bouncing the bleed for 1 to > his prey) > At this point Meth A states that Meth B cannot play Deflection, Meth A is wrong. "declining to play a bleed modifier" is the equivalent of Meth A saying "I pass; no further effects", which allows Meth B (or C or D or E) the opportunity to play one effect (such as Deflection), which then gives the impulse back to Meth A.

[ quoted text not captured ] Well, to be exact, bounce can be played only AFTER blocks are declined. After you decline to block the impulse to play something goes to the acting player, if they don't play anything, then it goes back to the reacting one, then if they don't play anything either then it resolves, but if they play something, like deflection, then the impulse goes back to acting instead.

On Mar 28, 9:44 am, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Correct. The flow above is thus: > > Meth A bleeds Meth B (me) with vampire X A: X bleeds B. A: pass (no mods). Often stated as "Do you block?" > > Meth B declines to block, waiting for a bleed modifier B: No block (this is an activity, not a "pass" declaration, as described in the rules. > > Meth A declines to play a bleed modifier A: pass. > > Meth B decides to play Deflection anyway (bouncing the bleed for 1 to > > his prey) B: deflect (instead of "pass"). All quite legal.

[ quoted text not captured ] Awesome, many thanks for the detailed answer. Regards, M.S.

"Klaital" <klai...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht news:6038088b-5cc4-4641...@33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] I'm pretty sure you can just play the Deflection before declining to block and then when it gets cancelled by Iron Heart or a crosstable DI or something you still get to try and block. I may be wrong of course.

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:18:49 +0200, "Izaak" wrote: >I'm pretty sure you can just play the Deflection before declining to block >and then when it gets cancelled by Iron Heart or a crosstable DI or >something you still get to try and block. Nope. >I may be wrong of course. Indeed. This was made explicit in the Camarilla Edition, if I remember correctly. The FAQ had to be changed to cover it. See also, FAQ question 3.12. http://www.thelasombra.com/vtes_faq.htm 3.12. When can I play Deflection / My Enemy's Enemy / Lost in Translantion / Redirection / Telepathic Misdirection? You may play the bleed bounce cards: when the bleed is announced. (decline to block, then bounce) after a stealth card is played. (decline to block, then bounce) after a bleed modifier is played. (decline to block, then bounce) after a card is played that makes the action unblockable. (decline to block, then bounce) after a declaration that you will not block. (always required) after someone else bounces the bleed to you. (decline to block, then bounce)

On 30 mar, 00:18, "Izaak" <nom...@usenet.plz> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure you can just play the Deflection before declining to block > and then when it gets cancelled by Iron Heart or a crosstable DI or > something you still get to try and block. > > I may be wrong of course. Can't: cardtext. Deflection Cardtype: Reaction Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Dominate [dom] Only usable when you are being bled, *after blocks are declined*. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the controller of the acting minion. The acting minion is now bleeding that Methuselah. [DOM] As above, but do not tap this vampire.

> Can't: cardtext. > > Deflection > Cardtype: Reaction > Cost: 1 blood > Discipline: Dominate > [dom] Only usable when you are being bled, > *after blocks are declined*. > Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the > controller of the acting minion. The acting minion is now bleeding > that Methuselah. > [DOM] As above, but do not tap this vampire. Well that might be the latest card text which I didnt bother reading, because my CE edition Deflection says [dom] Only usable when you are being bled. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the controller of the acting minion. The acting minion is bleeding that Methuselah. [ quoted text not captured ]

Izaak wrote: >> Can't: cardtext. >> >> Deflection >> Cardtype: Reaction >> Cost: 1 blood >> Discipline: Dominate >> [dom] Only usable when you are being bled, >> *after blocks are declined*. >> Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than >> the controller of the acting minion. The acting minion is now bleeding >> that Methuselah. >> [DOM] As above, but do not tap this vampire. > > Well that might be the latest card text which I didnt bother reading, [snip] http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=cardlist http://www.white-wolf.com/downloads.php?&category_id=38 Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> schreef in bericht news:XLxsn.23407$3D3....@newsfe19.iad... > Izaak wrote: >>> Can't: cardtext. >>> >>> Deflection >>> Cardtype: Reaction >>> Cost: 1 blood >>> Discipline: Dominate >>> [dom] Only usable when you are being bled, >>> *after blocks are declined*. >>> Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than >>> the controller of the acting minion. The acting minion is now bleeding >>> that Methuselah. >>> [DOM] As above, but do not tap this vampire. >> >> Well that might be the latest card text which I didnt bother reading, > [snip] > > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=cardlist > > http://www.white-wolf.com/downloads.php?&category_id=38 > I didn't say I didn't believe it :) It just struck me as odd that if it's cleaned up with CE that the CE cardtext doesn't match the intended card text.