Herald Charming Portrait?!?

My understanding of Charming Lobby (from the Herald of Topheth thread) is that, it is one action, all at once, play Charming Lobby and then call a vote. If you can play Charming Lobby, you get to call the vote. My understanding of The Portrait (from one of my previous posts) is that, it is one action, but not all at once, play The Portrait and then check whether you can bleed. If you can play The Portrait, you may or may not get to bleed. Why is this? What am I lacking in understanding?

"Brian" asked: > My understanding of Charming Lobby (from the Herald of Topheth thread) > is that, it is one action, all at once, play Charming Lobby and then > call a vote. > If you can play Charming Lobby, you get to call the vote. Right. Only because of errata'ed card text though. Original card text required three separate actions for all of the effects of Charming Lobby. Errata text requires two, and it will hopefully be reprinted in the Camarilla Edition for clarity. > My understanding of The Portrait (from one of my previous posts) is > that, it is one action, but not all at once, play The Portrait and > then check whether you can bleed. Right. > If you can play The Portrait, you may or may not get to bleed. Right. > Why is this? You cannot tell if you get to take the bleed action until the Portrait action is completed. Once it is completed, you originally untapped, then tapped again to bleed. > What am I lacking in understanding? Errata to the cards in question. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

thela...@hotmail.com writes: >Right. >Only because of errata'ed card text though. >Original card text required three separate actions >for all of the effects of Charming Lobby. Oh, no. That was the WotC rules team's insane interpretation of the card. The sane interpretations were either the current one or that the CL called a vote which only determined whether the next vote was an auto-success. Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com) "It is better to be wrong than to be vague" - Freeman Dyson

The Lasombra wrote: > "Brian" asked: > > My understanding of Charming Lobby (from the Herald of Topheth thread) > > is that, it is one action, all at once, play Charming Lobby and then > > call a vote. > > If you can play Charming Lobby, you get to call the vote. > > Right. > Only because of errata'ed card text though. > Original card text required three separate actions > for all of the effects of Charming Lobby. Original (Jyhad) card text: [pre] Call a vote. If it passes, then the next vote passes automatically. Not 3 actions there. The only ambiguity there is whether the terms of the first vote are "The next vote passes" or if you actually get to call a regular vote (Kine Resources Contested, for example) and use that pass result to pass the next vote. The 1995 VTES card text changed that to the 3-action version: [pre] If this action is successful, and the next vote you call this turn passes, then the next vote thereafter passes automatically. > Errata text requires two, and it will hopefully > be reprinted in the Camarilla Edition for clarity. > > My understanding of The Portrait (from one of my previous posts) is > > that, it is one action, but not all at once, play The Portrait and > > then check whether you can bleed. > > Right. The portrait is a single action that does not (ever) include the bleed. It may untap the acting vampire and force him to bleed as his next action, however. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/