Hi !
two players remain on a table. They are both at 2 pool.
Methuselah 1 has a Fame on his vampire. He sends him on a computer hacking,
daring the dawn, so the action is unblocked. What happens ?
my guess is : the bleed passes. The Methuselah 2 loses 2 pool, so is ousted.
Methuselah 1 gains 1 vp and 6 pool for the oust. Then the daring resolves
and methuselah 1 loses 3 pool. Then he's the last man standing and gains
another VP. Game ends.
is this correct ?
Now consider the same situation but a political flux called earlier has
determined that the next oust will bring only one pool.
Methuselah 1 sends his Famous vamp hacking daring the dawn anyway. What
happens ?
my guess is : the bleed resolves, meth 2 loses 2 pool, is ousted. Meth 1
gains 1 vp and 1 pool for the oust. Then Daring the dawn resolves and
methuselah 1 loses 3 pool, being also ousted in the process. Game ends with
one VP lost in the void.
is this correct ?
reyda
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:16:13 +0200, "Reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com>
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Vampire hacks with daring the dawn, methuselah 2 is ousted. Game ends.
No pool is given. The game is over. You don't put the vamp in torpor,
because there is no vamp, because there is no longer a game.
Methuselah 1 gets 1 vp for ousting methuselah 2, plus 1 vp for being
last person in the game.
Also, unless methuselah 1 is a psycho, the Fame would burn when it's
controller is ousted, in this case presumably methuselah 2. :)
Not that it matters.
salem
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"salem" <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Vampire hacks with daring the dawn, methuselah 2 is ousted. Game ends.
> No pool is given. The game is over. You don't put the vamp in torpor,
> because there is no vamp, because there is no longer a game.
> Methuselah 1 gets 1 vp for ousting methuselah 2, plus 1 vp for being
> last person in the game.
why ? are we supposed to interrupt the game at this point and don't go to
the end of an action then ?
> Also, unless methuselah 1 is a psycho, the Fame would burn when it's
> controller is ousted, in this case presumably methuselah 2. :)
> Not that it matters.
no, the fame can be controlled by yourself ! you can gain control of the
minion via Spirit marionnette, Mind rape, Hostile takeover etc....
I still wonder why the game suddenly stops !
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:56:31 +0200, "Reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com>
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>"salem" <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> Vampire hacks with daring the dawn, methuselah 2 is ousted. Game ends.
>> No pool is given. The game is over. You don't put the vamp in torpor,
>> because there is no vamp, because there is no longer a game.
>> Methuselah 1 gets 1 vp for ousting methuselah 2, plus 1 vp for being
>> last person in the game.>
>why ? are we supposed to interrupt the game at this point and don't go to
>the end of an action then ?
you resolve the action. once resolved, there are no other methuselahs.
check the rulebook.
From 9.1 Victory Points:
"The game continues until only one Methuselah is left."
Implying it does not continue when there is only one methuselah left.
>> Also, unless methuselah 1 is a psycho, the Fame would burn when it's
>> controller is ousted, in this case presumably methuselah 2. :)
>> Not that it matters.>
>no, the fame can be controlled by yourself ! you can gain control of the
>minion via Spirit marionnette, Mind rape, Hostile takeover etc....
>
>I still wonder why the game suddenly stops !
because the criteria for ending the game have been met. :)
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salem wrote:
> Vampire hacks with daring the dawn, methuselah 2 is ousted. Game ends.
> No pool is given. The game is over. You don't put the vamp in torpor,
> because there is no vamp, because there is no longer a game.
> Methuselah 1 gets 1 vp for ousting methuselah 2, plus 1 vp for being
> last person in the game.
Correct.
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> I still wonder why the game suddenly stops !
game ends when there is only one methuselah left.
the last outed is ousted when the bleed is successful, which is before
'after the action' when the vampire should normally go to torpor as a
result of playing daring the dawn.
"Reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3f37766c$0$20471$79c1...@nan-newsreader-02.noos.net>...
> "salem" <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I still wonder why the game suddenly stops !
Rulebook:
9. Ending the Game
9.1. Victory Points
[...]The game continues until only one Methuselah is left.
Regards,
Hardy
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With Spirit marionnette you can order the result... Go back to the
original controller, then goes to torpor...
Why hostile takeover a famed vampire? That you famed? It must be a
way to decrease the cost/value of that vampire... But how to use
it... =D
> I still wonder why the game suddenly stops !
1... once there is only 1 player on the table... the table is done,
regardless... Be silly to continue to play chess once you got them in
a checkmate...
2... Daring the dawn agg damage happens after the completion of the
action...
Since the action itself ends the game... Why resolve it...
The only thing I can think of is, that your not the last 2...
Then you gain the 6 pool the moment your prey is ousted...
Then after the action is complete, then the daring the dawn agg damage
takes affect...
"Kulaid" <Kula...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> With Spirit marionnette you can order the result... Go back to the
> original controller, then goes to torpor...
nope, you can"t : there was a reversal on the previous rulings.
> Why hostile takeover a famed vampire? That you famed? It must be a
> way to decrease the cost/value of that vampire... But how to use
> it... =D
maybe because it's the single vampire on the table which can use your
disciplines, and nobody plays rush anymore ;)
> > I still wonder why the game suddenly stops !
>
> 1... once there is only 1 player on the table... the table is done,
> regardless... Be silly to continue to play chess once you got them in
> a checkmate...
> 2... Daring the dawn agg damage happens after the completion of the
> action...
> Since the action itself ends the game... Why resolve it...
yeah, it makes sense. Beside it , it's in the rulebook ;)
> The only thing I can think of is, that your not the last 2...
> Then you gain the 6 pool the moment your prey is ousted...
> Then after the action is complete, then the daring the dawn agg damage
> takes affect...
that was the point ;)
> > Why hostile takeover a famed vampire? That you famed? It must be a
> > way to decrease the cost/value of that vampire... But how to use
> > it... =D
>
> maybe because it's the single vampire on the table which can use your
> disciplines, and nobody plays rush anymore ;)
Sunday, I graverobbed my predator's Lazverinus with a Fame on him ; he also
had a Sengir Dagger, a Blood Doll, and I can't remember what else. The only
rusher was my grand-predator, and I had a Fame in hand to, so I intended to
contest (logically, my Grand-pre would have dropped the contest soon
enough). So, things like this can happen...
Orpheus
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Reyda wrote:
> maybe because it's the single vampire on the table which can use your
> disciplines, and nobody plays rush anymore ;)
For particularly local values of "nobody", of course.
Me, I'm all about the beatings.
David Cherryholmes
Duke Radiology
P.E.T. Facility
(919) 684-7714
david.che...@duke.edu