Concoction of Vitality Question (LSJ)

Thanks for the quick response on my last question, but here's a new one: Concoction of Vitality says if burned "vampires cannot play cards requiring Disciplines until the action is complete." Can a vampire do an action that requires a discipline and burn the concoction to make it unblockable? Thanks Neil Paananen (not Randi S. Herdman)

{Neil Paananen} wrote: > Concoction of Vitality says if burned "vampires cannot play cards requiring Disciplines until the > action is complete." > > Can a vampire do an action that requires a discipline and burn the concoction to make it > unblockable? Yes. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html

>> Can a vampire do an action that requires a discipline and >> burn the concoction to make it unblockable? > Yes. hrmmm... Govern + Conditioning then Burn the Concoction (before the block declaration) for an unblockable bleed of 5(6). Sounds interesting. a0 -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

> agentzero wrote: > Govern + Conditioning then Burn the Concoction (before the > block declaration) for an unblockable bleed of 5(6). > Sounds interesting. No...the card pretty much says that you can't play action mods that require disciplines. Action modifiers are played after the action is announced. If you use it for an unblockable rush comabt, you don't get to play any combat cards that require disciplines either. Card Title: Concoction of Vitality Card Text: Unique equipment When the vampire with this card announces an action, he or she may burn this card to prevent vampires from blocking that action. If he or she does so, this vampire cannot play cards requiring Disciplines until the action is complete. Noal McDonald Anarch Troublemaker of Westland, MI -- "DISCUSSION, n. A method of confirming others in their errors." -Ambrose Bierce. [ quoted text not captured ]

> > agentzero wrote: > > Govern + Conditioning then Burn the Concoction (before the > > block declaration) for an unblockable bleed of 5(6). > > Sounds interesting. > > No...the card pretty much says that you can't play action > mods that require disciplines. Action modifiers are played > after the action is announced. It says no such thing. It may imply that, but it doesn't say you cannot play action mods. I was under the impression that you can do: "I'm going to bleed you with Govern and Conditioning for a bleed of 5(6)". If I am correct, then that seems to me like an action declaration to me. LSJ? a0 [ quoted text not captured ]

agen...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > [uncited poster wrote:] > > agentzero wrote: > > > Govern + Conditioning then Burn the Concoction (before the > > > block declaration) for an unblockable bleed of 5(6). > > > Sounds interesting. > > > > No...the card pretty much says that you can't play action > > mods that require disciplines. Action modifiers are played > > after the action is announced. > > It says no such thing. > It may imply that, but it doesn't say you cannot play action > mods. That's what the uncited poster meant by "pretty much", I suspect. > I was under the impression that you can do: > > "I'm going to bleed you with Govern and Conditioning for a > bleed of 5(6)". > > If I am correct, then that seems to me like an action declaration > to me. > LSJ? No. The action is "Govern inferior". The declaration of that action is "Vamp A bleeds Methuselah B (the prey) with inferior Govern for 3 pool at no stealth." You play Conditioning on the action currently underway, which is after it has been announced. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]

On VTES-L, ....salem christ.... wrote: > LSJ <vte...@WIZARDS.COM> wrote: > >{Neil Paananen} wrote: > >> Concoction of Vitality says if burned "vampires cannot play cards > requiring Disciplines until the > >> action is complete." > >> > >> Can a vampire do an action that requires a discipline and burn the > concoction to make it > >> unblockable? > > > >Yes. > > is spying mission played after the action is complete? if so, does this > mean it is playable after a concoction is burnied? No. Spying Mission (superior) is played when the action resolves, not after. There are no action modifiers that are played entirely after the action (that is, after the onus of Concoction "wears off"). Even Freak Drive (the card that comes the closest) is played at the end of the resolution, but still during the action (questionable by card text, but it just won't work any other way - action modifiers need something to modify, so can only be played when there is an action currently in progress). [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <717u0u$7pp$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, agen...@my-dejanews.com writes >"I'm going to bleed you with Govern and Conditioning for a >bleed of 5(6)". > >If I am correct, then that seems to me like an action declaration >to me. When you declare Govern, you are playing an action card. By playing it, you declare an action. Conditioning is not the action per se. It modifies the action. Playing it is not part of announcing the basic action you are taking. -- James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) Vampire: Elder Kindred Network http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net