While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
Another thing: how does Return to innocence relate with
M1000Faces? This situation has occured:
Anneke does the RtI. Prey declines to block (!). Watenda (3 cap)
takes the action. What happens then? Does the action fizzle because Watty
hasn't got 4 blood? If he had, what would the bleed be? 4 or 11? and who
would be burned?
Sorry for this being x-posted, but it's the best way to get many
good answers. Thanks!
David Pontes
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> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
>seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
>for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
No. Perhaps what they're thinking of is transfering equipment. I
don't remember it precisely, but if you're blocked while trying to
transfer equipment, the equipment stays with the minion that initially
has it..
-j
On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, David Pontes wrote:
> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
NO!!!!! They have to tell you what they are equipping with before you
choose to intercept or not.
> Another thing: how does Return to innocence relate with
> M1000Faces? This situation has occured:
>
> Anneke does the RtI. Prey declines to block (!). Watenda (3 cap)
> takes the action. What happens then? Does the action fizzle because Watty
> hasn't got 4 blood? If he had, what would the bleed be? 4 or 11? and who
> would be burned?
Watenda has taken over the action, so he pays the blood and the bleed is
for 4. The real benefit of M1000Faces is that you can transfer actions
to others who don't have a certain discipline, etc. I hope this is
right, since M1000Faces is one of the most misunderstood cards in the
game....
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Judas Iscariot <ju...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
>On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, David Pontes wrote:>> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
>> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
>> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?>NO!!!!! They have to tell you what they are equipping with before you
>choose to intercept or not.
Correct.
>> Another thing: how does Return to innocence relate with
>> M1000Faces? This situation has occured:
>>
>> Anneke does the RtI. Prey declines to block (!). Watenda (3 cap)
>> takes the action. What happens then? Does the action fizzle because Watty
>> hasn't got 4 blood? If he had, what would the bleed be? 4 or 11? and who
>> would be burned?>Watenda has taken over the action, so he pays the blood and the bleed is
>for 4.
Correct (and, the action fizzles when it resolves, since Watenda
cannot pay the cost). It the Masking vampire did pay the cost, then
the masking vampire would be burned if the action was successful.
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On 30 Nov 1996, L. Scott Johnson wrote:
> Judas Iscariot <ju...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
> >On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, David Pontes wrote:
> >> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
> >> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
> >> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
> >NO!!!!! They have to tell you what they are equipping with before you
> >choose to intercept or not.
>
> Correct.
>
[This extends to employing retainers and calling votes, for the
rulebook wording is similar]
Howcome? Is this errataed? It's in the rulebook that "to
equip/employ retainer/call a vote the vampire taps and anouces she's
A/B/C", and makes no mention to revealing the card or saying what's the
card being used (except for votes when you read the text of the card and
decide on the details, but that's only after blocking attepts have been
resolved).
> >> Anneke does the RtI. Prey declines to block (!). Watenda (3 cap)
> >> takes the action. What happens then? Does the action fizzle because Watty
> >> hasn't got 4 blood? If he had, what would the bleed be? 4 or 11? and who
> >> would be burned?
>
> >Watenda has taken over the action, so he pays the blood and the bleed is
> >for 4.
>
> Correct (and, the action fizzles when it resolves, since Watenda
> cannot pay the cost). It the Masking vampire did pay the cost, then
> the masking vampire would be burned if the action was successful.
>
... And the bleed would be of the final acting vampire's capacity,
right? (no matter who masked who)
David Pontes
8[
Judas Iscariot writes:
>> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
>> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
>> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?>NO!!!!! They have to tell you what they are equipping with before you
>choose to intercept or not.
Eh? Is this true? What about other actions?
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David Pontes <l41...@alfa.ist.utl.pt> writes:
>On 30 Nov 1996, L. Scott Johnson wrote:>> Judas Iscariot <ju...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
>> >On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, David Pontes wrote:>> >> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
>> >> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
>> >> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
>> >NO!!!!! They have to tell you what they are equipping with before you
>> >choose to intercept or not.>> Correct.> [This extends to employing retainers and calling votes, for the
>rulebook wording is similar]> Howcome? Is this errataed? It's in the rulebook that "to
>equip/employ retainer/call a vote the vampire taps and anouces she's
>A/B/C", and makes no mention to revealing the card or saying what's the
>card being used (except for votes when you read the text of the card and
>decide on the details, but that's only after blocking attepts have been
>resolved).
(Thinly stretched logic follows to "explain" how to arrive at the
correct ruling from the terrible VtES Basic/Advance Rules-soup):
Each of the actions' desciptions begin with "such-and-such card required".
By requiring you to have the card in order to take the action, the rules
force you to play the card as you attempt the action. (And library cards
are never played face down).
The descriptions ("Announce action. Place card on acting minion.") are
written the way they are (in the Basic section) because such actions are
unblockable in the Basic game, so little attention was paid to timing.
>> >> Anneke does the RtI. Prey declines to block (!). Watenda (3 cap)
>> >> takes the action. What happens then? Does the action fizzle because Watty
>> >> hasn't got 4 blood? If he had, what would the bleed be? 4 or 11? and who
>> >> would be burned?
>>
>> >Watenda has taken over the action, so he pays the blood and the bleed is
>> >for 4.
>>
>> Correct (and, the action fizzles when it resolves, since Watenda
>> cannot pay the cost). It the Masking vampire did pay the cost, then
>> the masking vampire would be burned if the action was successful.> ... And the bleed would be of the final acting vampire's capacity,
>right? (no matter who masked who)
Correct, as in the Watenda example (final bleed of 4 - which fizzles).
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David Schwartz wrote:
>
> Judas Iscariot writes:
> >> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
> >> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
> >> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
>
> >NO!!!!! They have to tell you what they are equipping with before you
> >choose to intercept or not.
>> Eh? Is this true? What about other actions?
There is no "hiding" of cards in Jyhad at all. When you declare that
you're doing somethihg, you play the card. Also, (this came up a few
months back) in combat, when you declare a strike, you play the card.
There is no "War"-like simultaneous revealing as some people thought.
James
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On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, James Hamblin wrote:
> David Schwartz wrote:
> >
> > Judas Iscariot writes:
> > >> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
> > >> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
> > >> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
> >
>> There is no "hiding" of cards in Jyhad at all. When you declare that
> you're doing somethihg, you play the card. Also, (this came up a few
> months back) in combat, when you declare a strike, you play the card.
> There is no "War"-like simultaneous revealing as some people thought.
>
This is backed by something on the rulebok? Or is it just a feel?
The combat bit is simple: you *don't* have to actually show the
card, but you must state what is the strike and what's the effect (there's
no question on who goes first -- it's detailed on the rulebook). Anyway,
once the card hits the ash pile anyone's entitled to see it, so...
The fact is that I fail to see a place on the rules that actually
states how these actions are to be performed (wether with hidden or
revealed card). Can someone see it?
The feel I get is that everyone used to play it with revealed
cards, but that wasn't actually on the rules (kind of collective
unconscious (: ). It's those damn newbies that come from other games who
come up with this stuff :(
David Pontes
8[
In article <M7LpyAH...@schwartz.manawatu.gen.nz>,
da...@schwartz.manawatu.gen.nz (David Schwartz) wrote:
> Judas Iscariot writes:
> >> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
> >> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
> >> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
>> >NO!!!!! They have to tell you what they are equipping with before you
> >choose to intercept or not.
>
> Eh? Is this true? What about other actions?
Yes. There is sort of an exception for votes--for example, you don't know
who is going to be targeted by a Conservative Agitation when the time comes
to vote, but you do know it will be a Conservative Agitation.
J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com>
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In article <M7LpyAH...@schwartz.manawatu.gen.nz>, da...@schwartz.manawatu.gen.nz (David Schwartz) writes:
> Judas Iscariot writes:
> >> While playng with some newbies I have met some new rules. It
> >> seems that while equipping one simply decides the equip action and waits
> >> for a block *without* revealing the equipment card. Is this true?
>
> >NO!!!!! They have to tell you what they are equipping with before you
> >choose to intercept or not.
>
> Eh? Is this true? What about other actions?
In order to perform any action that requires a card, whether it be
Employing a Retainer, Equiping, or Bleeding with Computer Hacking, you must
play the card required. You then imediately draw a card to replace it. While
it is sitting on the table, the other players a free to pick it up and read
it, if they so choose.
> @ \_____/ David Schwartz \__________________________/ >
Ritaxis,
Who thinks the game would be very different if all you had to say was "I'm
Bleeding you." when you had Return to Innocence.