Question for LSJ: Shepherd's Innocence

Can (the effect of) superior Tier of Souls be moved to the vampire playing Shepherd's Innocence? I searched the online rulings, but could not find anything relating to this... Relevant card texts: Shepherd's Innocence [DS:C2] Cardtype: Action Cost: 2 blood Discipline: Animalism +1 stealth action. [ani] <(D)> Take control of a card in play that requires Animalism. If it is an equipment or retainer card, place it on any vampire you control. [ANI] Take control of all cards in play that require Animalism. You may put the equipment and retainer cards on any vampires you control. Tier of Souls [Sabbat:R, SW:R, Anarchs:PG] Cardtype: Action Discipline: Animalism [ani] (D) Move 1 blood from a minion controlled by your prey to this vampire. [ANI] As above, and put this card on the acting vampire. This vampire gets +1 bleed when bleeding your prey. A vampire may have only 1 Tier of Souls. Any minion may burn this card as a (D) action. Thanks and regards. Patrick Columbus, OH

On 2 Mar 2004 11:11:29 -0800, sam...@hotmail.com (Patrick van der Reest) scrawled: >Can (the effect of) superior Tier of Souls be moved to the vampire >playing >Shepherd's Innocence? I searched the online rulings, but could not >find anything relating to this... you take control of it. however, because shepherd's only says stuff about moving retainers/equipment, you leave the tier of souls on the vampire it is on. HOWEVER, because YOU now control it, wherever tier of souls mentions 'you' it's talking about YOU, the new controller. so the vamp with the tier gets +1 bleed against YOUR prey (handy for deflections), and also YOU are the one who is the target of the D action to burn the tier (so only you can block, barring eagle's sight etc). i'll leave the texts here so you can all read and understand: >Relevant card texts: > >Shepherd's Innocence [DS:C2] >Cardtype: Action >Cost: 2 blood >Discipline: Animalism >+1 stealth action. >[ani] <(D)> Take control of a card in play that requires Animalism. If >it is an equipment or retainer card, place it on any vampire you >control. >[ANI] Take control of all cards in play that require Animalism. You >may put the equipment and retainer cards on any vampires you control. > > >Tier of Souls [Sabbat:R, SW:R, Anarchs:PG] >Cardtype: Action >Discipline: Animalism >[ani] (D) Move 1 blood from a minion controlled by your prey to this >vampire. >[ANI] As above, and put this card on the acting vampire. This vampire >gets +1 bleed when bleeding your prey. A vampire may have only 1 Tier >of Souls. Any minion may burn this card as a (D) action. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

salem wrote: > On 2 Mar 2004 11:11:29 -0800, sam...@hotmail.com (Patrick van der > Reest) scrawled: > > >>Can (the effect of) superior Tier of Souls be moved to the vampire >>playing >>Shepherd's Innocence? I searched the online rulings, but could not >>find anything relating to this... > > > you take control of it. however, because shepherd's only says stuff > about moving retainers/equipment, you leave the tier of souls on the > vampire it is on. > > HOWEVER, because YOU now control it, wherever tier of souls mentions > 'you' it's talking about YOU, the new controller. so the vamp with the > tier gets +1 bleed against YOUR prey (handy for deflections), and also > YOU are the one who is the target of the D action to burn the tier (so > only you can block, barring eagle's sight etc). Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<4045C909...@white-wolf.com>... > salem wrote: > > On 2 Mar 2004 11:11:29 -0800, sam...@hotmail.com (Patrick van der > > Reest) scrawled: > > > > > >>Can (the effect of) superior Tier of Souls be moved to the vampire > >>playing > >>Shepherd's Innocence? I searched the online rulings, but could not > >>find anything relating to this... > > > > > > you take control of it. however, because shepherd's only says stuff > > about moving retainers/equipment, you leave the tier of souls on the > > vampire it is on. > > > > HOWEVER, because YOU now control it, wherever tier of souls mentions > > 'you' it's talking about YOU, the new controller. so the vamp with the > > tier gets +1 bleed against YOUR prey (handy for deflections), and also > > YOU are the one who is the target of the D action to burn the tier (so > > only you can block, barring eagle's sight etc). > > Correct. Thanks, both of you. It makes sense this way, which I like :). Regards, Patrick Columbus, OH