Reversal of Fortunes (strategy wanted)

Does anyone has a nice strategy for making Reversal of Fortunes useful? I've only been able to come up with one, it's a stealth deck with RoF and Millicent Smith. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: > Does anyone has a nice strategy for making Reversal of Fortunes > useful? I've only been able to come up with one, it's a stealth > deck with RoF and Millicent Smith. I used RoF, Millicent Smith and unblockable actions. But that's about it. Noal -- "I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species, of pure sons of bitches." --Faulkner, "The Mansion" [ quoted text not captured ]

"cantila" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message news:8s2k04$uad$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > Does anyone has a nice strategy for making Reversal of Fortunes useful? > I've only been able to come up with one, it's a stealth deck with RoF > and Millicent Smith. Malkavians and Madness Network? Take a turn, let your prey take a turn, call a RoF, take another turn... Xian

In article <8s2k8j$um1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Noal McDonald <dhar...@my-deja.com> wrote: > cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: > > Does anyone has a nice strategy for making Reversal of Fortunes > > useful? I've only been able to come up with one, it's a stealth > > deck with RoF and Millicent Smith. > > I used RoF, Millicent Smith and unblockable actions. But that's about > it. > > Noal > -- Yeah that is an option =) I wonder if there's any other use except together with Millicent though. One other situation I can think of is that if you know your prey has a card out that makes him win in his next turn, and the card is burnable. Then you could play RoF so soemone else gets to burn that card, provided they want to help you with that. What card that would be etc, I'm too lazy to try figure out right now, but I'm sure there could be such an occassion. However that's just a one-time effect of RoF and not a strategy. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <vE4F5.1661$kX2.1...@news.uswest.net>, "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote: > > "cantila" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message > news:8s2k04$uad$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Does anyone has a nice strategy for making Reversal of Fortunes useful? > > I've only been able to come up with one, it's a stealth deck with RoF > > and Millicent Smith. > > Malkavians and Madness Network? Take a turn, let your prey take a turn, call > a RoF, take another turn... > > Xian > > Ow!! hehe that got be quite powerful if you get it working. Nice one! [ quoted text not captured ]

"Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote in message news:vE4F5.1661$kX2.1...@news.uswest.net... > Malkavians and Madness Network? Take a turn, let your prey take a turn, call > a RoF, take another turn... I should clarify. Take your turn...call a RoF as your last action. Your (former) predator takes a turn, hammering on your (former) grand-predator. At the end of his turn, call another RoF with Madness Network. Take your turn again, continuing to harm your (original) prey. Wash, rinse, repeat. I first saw Legbiter play this in JOL, I think...though it could have been Justin Fang. Xian -- I'd tell the world and save my soul, But rain falls down and I feel cold. A cold that sleeps within my heart, It tears the earth and sun apart. --_Shellshock_, New Order www.waste.org/~xian

In article <UM4F5.1764$kX2.1...@news.uswest.net>, "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote: > > "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote in message > news:vE4F5.1661$kX2.1...@news.uswest.net... > > Malkavians and Madness Network? Take a turn, let your prey take a turn, > call > > a RoF, take another turn... > > I should clarify. > > Take your turn...call a RoF as your last action. > Your (former) predator takes a turn, hammering on your (former) > grand-predator. > At the end of his turn, call another RoF with Madness Network. > Take your turn again, continuing to harm your (original) prey. > > Wash, rinse, repeat. > > I first saw Legbiter play this in JOL, I think...though it could have been > Justin Fang. > > Xian Hmm wait a sec....RoF doesn't actually change who's your prey, it only makes it so that you go counter-clockwise. You're still bleeding to your left as far as I know. So it would mean that your predator still bleeds you after you make a RoF, but still it could be a good strategy if your predator is weak and have very few vamps. It will let you bleed your prey over na dover again and he doesn't get to untap... > > -- > I'd tell the world and save my soul, But rain falls down and I feel cold. > A cold that sleeps within my heart, It tears the earth and sun apart. > --_Shellshock_, New Order > www.waste.org/~xian > > [ quoted text not captured ]

I'd hate to be across the table though....This would mean that I'd NEVER get a turn until he ran out of RoF cards. -Brian "cantila" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message news:8s2lu5$6n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <vE4F5.1661$kX2.1...@news.uswest.net>, > "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote: > > > > "cantila" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message > > news:8s2k04$uad$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > Does anyone has a nice strategy for making Reversal of Fortunes > useful? > > > I've only been able to come up with one, it's a stealth deck with > RoF > > > and Millicent Smith. > > > > Malkavians and Madness Network? Take a turn, let your prey take a > turn, call > > a RoF, take another turn... > > > > Xian > > > > > Ow!! hehe that got be quite powerful if you get it working. Nice one! > > [ quoted text not captured ]

I've got a few Reversals in my Madness Network deck. The ides is to call RoF/Dramatic Upheaval/Kindred Restructure at the end of other people's turns to give yourself more turns. RoF lets you do this while keeping a consistent prey, which can be nice. I usually want to cherry-pick with the table re-arrangement, but if the deck was bleed-heavy, the RoFs would be better. Plus you can play with Millicent. Bye, Cy Myers In article <8s2ls1$vu9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: >In article <8s2k8j$um1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > Noal McDonald <dhar...@my-deja.com> wrote: >> cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: >> > Does anyone has a nice strategy for making Reversal of Fortunes >> > useful? I've only been able to come up with one, it's a stealth >> > deck with RoF and Millicent Smith. >> >> I used RoF, Millicent Smith and unblockable actions. But that's about >> it. >> >> Noal >> -- > >Yeah that is an option =) I wonder if there's any other use except >together with Millicent though. One other situation I can think of is >that if you know your prey has a card out that makes him win in his >next turn, and the card is burnable. Then you could play RoF so soemone >else gets to burn that card, provided they want to help you with that. >What card that would be etc, I'm too lazy to try figure out right now, >but I'm sure there could be such an occassion. However that's just a >one-time effect of RoF and not a strategy. > > [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <HE6F5.959$F5.1...@typhoon.austin.rr.com>, "Brian Reed" <leub...@austin.rr.com> wrote: > I'd hate to be across the table though....This would mean that I'd NEVER get > a turn until he ran out of RoF cards. > -Brian > "cantila" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message > news:8s2lu5$6n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > > In article <vE4F5.1661$kX2.1...@news.uswest.net>, > > "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote: > > > > > > "cantila" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message > > > news:8s2k04$uad$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > > Does anyone has a nice strategy for making Reversal of Fortunes > > useful? > > > > I've only been able to come up with one, it's a stealth deck with > > RoF > > > > and Millicent Smith. > > > > > > Malkavians and Madness Network? Take a turn, let your prey take a > > turn, call > > > a RoF, take another turn... > > > > > > Xian > > > > > > > > Ow!! hehe that got be quite powerful if you get it working. Nice one! > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > Unless someone intercepts it or votes it down. But I agree heh. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <UM4F5.1764$kX2.1...@news.uswest.net>, "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote: > > "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote in message > news:vE4F5.1661$kX2.1...@news.uswest.net... > > Malkavians and Madness Network? Take a turn, let your prey take a turn, > call > > a RoF, take another turn... > > I should clarify. > > Take your turn...call a RoF as your last action. > Your (former) predator takes a turn, hammering on your (former) > grand-predator. > At the end of his turn, call another RoF with Madness Network. > Take your turn again, continuing to harm your (original) prey. > > Wash, rinse, repeat. > > I first saw Legbiter play this in JOL, I think...though it could have been > Justin Fang. > > Xian > No, i was the victim of that one, not the perpetrator [who could well have been Justin]. It was one of the first Betrayer games, and the deck was REALLY motoring until it hit the wretched RoF/Madness network combo. VERY nice trick but EXTREMELY boring to be on the receiving end of. BTW Cantila is right that the next guy to take a turn is STILL your predator. [ quoted text not captured ]

cantila wrote: > "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote: > > Take your turn...call a RoF as your last action. > > Your (former) predator takes a turn, hammering on your (former) > > grand-predator. > > At the end of his turn, call another RoF with Madness Network. > > Take your turn again, continuing to harm your (original) prey. > Hmm wait a sec....RoF doesn't actually change who's your prey, it only > makes it so that you go counter-clockwise. You're still bleeding to > your left as far as I know. Correct. Card text: "Prey is still to the left, however." -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

<legb...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8s3u45$vva$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... [RoF deck] > No, i was the victim of that one, not the perpetrator [who could well > have been Justin]. It was one of the first Betrayer games, and the deck Ah yes...I can't remember what the heck I was playing, but oh well. It was probably something else strange. I think that was around when we started talking about the GSP deck. > was REALLY motoring until it hit the wretched RoF/Madness network combo. > VERY nice trick but EXTREMELY boring to be on the receiving end of. BTW > Cantila is right that the next guy to take a turn is STILL your predator. Yup. Silly me...that's what I get for looking up the text of Madness Network, but *not* the text of RoF. Still works pretty nastily, though...and thanks to all who caught this blunder, otherwise I might have decided to try to build it with a few new Malkavian Riders I picked up recently. Eeeek. Xian [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8s326p$i5l$1...@hubble.csuchico.edu>, cym...@ecst.csuchico.edu (Cy H. Myers) wrote: > I've got a few Reversals in my Madness Network deck. The ides is to call > RoF/Dramatic Upheaval/Kindred Restructure at the end of other people's turns > to give yourself more turns. RoF lets you do this while keeping a consistent > prey, which can be nice. I usually want to cherry-pick with the table > re-arrangement, but if the deck was bleed-heavy, the RoFs would be better. > Plus you can play with Millicent. > > Bye, > Cy Myers > Hmm that made me think of a deck built of Madness Network and Kindred Restructure. When it's betwene your turn and your prey's, you calla Kindred Restructure and mover everyone clock-wise one step. After that it should be your turn again and your original prey is still to the left. Would this be legal? [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 legb...@my-deja.com wrote: > have been Justin]. It was one of the first Betrayer games, and the deck > was REALLY motoring until it hit the wretched RoF/Madness network combo. > VERY nice trick but EXTREMELY boring to be on the receiving end of. BTW > Cantila is right that the next guy to take a turn is STILL your predator. Actually, take your turn, let your prey have a turn, then use it on their turn. Then your predator never gets a go. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with him. I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all begin with him and the way he makes me feel?"

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, cantila wrote: > Hmm that made me think of a deck built of Madness Network and Kindred > Restructure. When it's betwene your turn and your prey's, You mean "When your prey has finished all of their actions during their minion phase, but before their influence phase has begun". [ quoted text not captured ]

> > Actually, take your turn, let your prey have a turn, then use it on their > turn. Then your predator never gets a go. > or do it the other way and include deflections... Actually, I'd let whoever is a non-combat deck go. Cameron [ quoted text not captured ]

cantila wrote: >Hmm that made me think of a deck built of Madness Network and Kindred >Restructure. When it's betwene your turn and your prey's, you calla >Kindred Restructure and mover everyone clock-wise one step. After that >it should be your turn again and your original prey is still to the >left. Would this be legal? No. Our Grand & Glorious Madness Network works at the end of someone else's minion phase, before their influence phase begins. After the referendum passes, that player would still finish out their turn, Masika would untap, and the person on their left (or right, if you are Reversing) would begin their turn. You could force everyone to move clockwise just to anger them. They might become so cross that they'll make a mistake. Mike Ooi Insane Prince of Houston, TX Home of the functionally-named Houston Texans NFL Team sh...@texas.net

cantila wrote: [... 18 lines snipped ...] > Hmm that made me think of a deck built of Madness Network and Kindred > Restructure. When it's betwene your turn and your prey's, you calla > Kindred Restructure and mover everyone clock-wise one step. After that > it should be your turn again and your original prey is still to the > left. Would this be legal? No. Madness Network actions happen during someone's minion phase, not "between your turn and your prey's". (card text). Your minions cannot take MN actions during your own turn, since such actions are to be taken after you have finished with your actions (card text). But you are free to Kindred Restructure on your own turn in a normal action, after which you will finish your minion phase, take your influence and discard phases as normal, and then the player to your left will take her turn (Reversal of Fortunes notwithstanding). Or you can Kindred Restructure with one of your P/J Malks at the end of someone else's minion phase. Then she will take her influence and discard phases as normal, and then the player to her left (you, presumably) will take the next turn (again, assuming RoF not in effect). [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 inr...@my-deja.com wrote: > > Actually, take your turn, let your prey have a turn, then use it on > their > > turn. Then your predator never gets a go. > > > > or do it the other way and include deflections... > > Actually, I'd let whoever is a non-combat deck go. True. The beauty of the deck is that it has that flexibility. Myself, in general, I'd want my prey to have a go, rather than my predator. Maybe lock my prey out once or twice to ensure that my grand-prey isn't ousted prematurely, whilst generally stopping my predator hitting me. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <OokF5.5376$XI.9...@news3.aus1.giganews.com>, "Mike Ooi" <sh...@texas.net> wrote: > > cantila wrote: > >Hmm that made me think of a deck built of Madness Network and Kindred > >Restructure. When it's betwene your turn and your prey's, you calla > >Kindred Restructure and mover everyone clock-wise one step. After that > >it should be your turn again and your original prey is still to the > >left. Would this be legal? > > No. Our Grand & Glorious Madness Network works at the end of someone else's > minion phase, before their influence phase begins. After the referendum > passes, that player would still finish out their turn, Masika would untap, > and the person on their left (or right, if you are Reversing) would begin > their turn. You could force everyone to move clockwise just to anger them. > They might become so cross that they'll make a mistake. > > Mike Ooi > Insane Prince of Houston, TX > Home of the functionally-named Houston Texans NFL Team > sh...@texas.net > > You're right, I remembered the text wrong. Well how about Reversing at the end of your own minion pahse and then call a Restructure and move everyone counter-clockwise? Then it should be my turn again when I end my phase...? [ quoted text not captured ]

cantila wrote: > You're right, I remembered the text wrong. Well how about Reversing at > the end of your own minion pahse and then call a Restructure and move > everyone counter-clockwise? Then it should be my turn again when I end > my phase...? You can call Reversal of Fortunes during your own minion phase without using the Madness Network (which you cannot use on your own turn). It would *still* be your turn (not "be your turn *again*") when you end the phase - you would continue to your influence phase as usual, and then to your discard phase. Then it would be the next player's turn, as usual. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, cantila wrote: > You're right, I remembered the text wrong. Well how about Reversing at > the end of your own minion pahse and then call a Restructure and move > everyone counter-clockwise? Then it should be my turn again when I end > my phase...? Play would just pass to the left (or right) of wherever you ended up. [ quoted text not captured ]

Actually I have a Big Toreador deck, based around the Toreador Grand Ball, RoF and Millicent, with enough KRC's to oust and enough 2nd Traditions with Eagle Sights to block any action taken. Combined with a lot of Bloat, it has it's moments. Sure I can't bleed, but 6 pool loss a turn should oust my prey eventually. Tim Eijpe -- PROPHECY OF GEHENNA: On The First Day Of Gehenna The Shrieking Wind Shall Be Silent And When A Black Sun Hangs From A Somber Sky Caine's Sleeping Children Shall Once Again Arise [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8s6rag$c3n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] Thanx! Always fun to hear new combos, dind't think of the TGB thing. [ quoted text not captured ]

> Thanx! Always fun to hear new combos, dind't think of the TGB thing. And here it is! Deck name: RoF Grand Ball Crypt: 2 Alexandra (Toreador, 11, AN AU CE do PR, Inner Circle) 3 Anneke (Toreador, 10, AU CE do PR, Justicar) 2 Anson (Toreador, 8, au CE do PR, Prince) 1 Eliott Sinclair, Virtuoso Thespian (Toreador, 7, au ce PR, Primogen) 2 Francois Villon (Toreador, 10, AU CE ch ob po PR, Prince) 1 Rake (Brujah, 6, au ce po PR, Prince) 1 Tatiana Romanov (Toreador, 7, AU ce pr, Prince) Library: (90 cards) Master (24) 1 Art Museum 1 Dreams of the Sphinx 2 Information Highway 5 Millicent Smith - Puritan Vampire Hunter 8 Minion Tap 7 Toreador Grand Ball Minion (66) 4 Awe 4 Bewitching Oration 6 Eagle's Sight 5 Fifth Tradition: Hospitality, The 10 Kine Resources Contested 8 Majesty 4 My Enemy's Enemy 5 Reversal of Fortunes 1 Rumors of Gehenna 7 Second Tradition: Domain 4 Telepathic Misdirection 4 Voter Captivation 4 Wake with Evening's Freshness The number of Masters is pretty steep, but so be it. Tim [ quoted text not captured ]

oof... I feel bloated... must be that time of the month... oAFLORD aka Thomas Kuster VEKN Prince of Caledon [ quoted text not captured ]