Gehanna for dummies

I was getting a little worried as I looked through the whitewolf website I am not into the vampire roleplay game but I gather that gehenna means Caine comes and eat all the vampires, right? It seems to me that white wolf wants to keep the relationship with the RPG as a basis for the card game given that gehenna is the title of the next expansion. But if all the vampires die how can there be a Jyhad? WW makes a new world of darkness game they say... so this means bye-bye camarilla, sabbat, princes, disciplines etc etc (or else their "end of the world" retoric will seem like a very big amount of hot air imho. If they make some mystic rule banning all the "dead" vampires and change the card backs to the new name or something I'll get a stroke! Can somebody tell me how there can be an expansion after this? Regards FC

"FC" <fcap...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c6b50l$dmv$1...@news.net.uni-c.dk... > I was getting a little worried as I looked through the whitewolf website YOu need to look around a little more :-) > > I am not into the vampire roleplay game but I gather that gehenna means > Caine comes and eat all the vampires, right? > Nope. It means they're re-doing the rules on their RPG. > It seems to me that white wolf wants to keep the relationship with the RPG > as a basis for the card game given that gehenna is the title of the next > expansion. As always, VTES will maintain a relationship with the World of Darkness, not the RPG... The RPG is really just a set of rules, The WoD is the setting, and the only thing that really matters. > > But if all the vampires die how can there be a Jyhad? > I like pasta because my house is made of bricks... Said differently, what the hell does the one (RPG) really have to do with the other (CCG)? > WW makes a new world of darkness game they say... so this means > bye-bye camarilla, sabbat, princes, disciplines etc etc (or else their "end > of the world" retoric will seem like a very big amount of hot air imho. If > they make some mystic rule banning all the "dead" vampires and change > the card backs to the new name or something I'll get a stroke! > I think your cardiovascular system is safe, although you seem to be hyperventilating on a ridiculous number of outlandish fears... VTES is going to continue in the WoD, because that genre remains largely unexplored (read unexploited) from the standpoint of the CCG. The RPG had a 9 year head-start (counting its earlier publication, and VTES's hiatus from WotC to WW eras), which is why VTM went stale. You presume that there can be no new VTES without those silly little books? Pfeh. VTES will be the basis for further updates to the WoD back-story, rather than the RPG, and the WoD will be better for it. > Can somebody tell me how there can be an expansion after this? > Check the WW VTES page, expansions are already in the works. Somehow, we manage go on without the kewl new Dirty Laundry of the Uber Cult sourcebook being released... Now, you tell me how come fans of the RPG can't take the blinders off, and see that there is no causal link between VTES and VTM (except that they share a fictional setting)... DaveZ Atom Weaver

> I am not into the vampire roleplay game but I gather that gehenna means > Caine comes and eat all the vampires, right? > If you read the Book of Nod, you'd've been under the impression that once Gehenna comes, a "Dark Lord" will rule in Darkness for a thousand years. Since the game has only been around for 10, it seems likely that that prediction leaves plenty of room for more expansions. Now I hear that the scenarios published in "Gehenna" differ from that, and that's fine. White Wolf didn't even give the WoD a difinitive end. > But if all the vampires die how can there be a Jyhad? > Go back into your collection and pull out all of the Group 1+3 Princes/Justicars, along with Francois Villon/Dominique(s), Francisco/Calebros, and Jeremy MacNeil. Since they printed new vampires with the old title, then by this same logic, you couldn't play any of those old vampires. The Assamintes have not been Blood-Cursed for over four years, yet they start out that way every game. The Gangrel have likewise left the Camarilla, yet you can still influence out their Inner Circle Member. The Tremere Antitribu were vaporised wholesale, yet you can still play them. Collectible Card Games are NOT a Time-linear format. That is, new cards coming out do not invalidate or replace your old cards. Since White Wolf is not in the habit of banning old sets, new cards coming out does not mean the old cards are unusable. Thus the Gehenna Expansion is not "how the gameworld ends" so much as "Were the Gameworld to end, this is what it would be like." Our old cards and WoD Gamebooks did not burst into flames when any of the other Gehenna products came out, and will not do so in the future. It is all still quite playable.

"FC" <fcap...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6b50l$dmv$1...@news.net.uni-c.dk>... > I was getting a little worried as I looked through the whitewolf website > > I am not into the vampire roleplay game but I gather that gehenna means > Caine comes and eat all the vampires, right? Or something. Generally, it is the end of vampires - there are no vampires after Gehenna is finished. > It seems to me that white wolf wants to keep the relationship with the RPG > as a basis for the card game given that gehenna is the title of the next > expansion. Fair guess. > But if all the vampires die how can there be a Jyhad? If Lucita is burned in one game, how can she be influenced back out in the next? The card game is not time-linear. Each game is not a continuation of the previous game. Each game stands alone. Just as storytellers and troupes can encounter Gehenna over and over again in the RPG (with the exact same group or in mixed groups), and just as Lucita can be burned again and again in game after game of V:TES, so can sessions of the card game see Gehenna events play out again and again. > Can somebody tell me how there can be an expansion after this? We make new cards for the game. When you play, that play session may or may not see Gehenna events play out. It may or may not see Lucita burned. It may or may not see the Week of Nightmares come to pass. It may or may not see the Assamites overcome the blood curse. And so on... -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:eb4eb7f8.04042...@posting.google.com... > "FC" <fcap...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6b50l$dmv$1...@news.net.uni-c.dk>... > > I was getting a little worried as I looked through the whitewolf website > > > > I am not into the vampire roleplay game but I gather that gehenna means > > Caine comes and eat all the vampires, right? > > Or something. Generally, it is the end of vampires - there are no > vampires after Gehenna is finished. > > > It seems to me that white wolf wants to keep the relationship with the RPG > > as a basis for the card game given that gehenna is the title of the next > > expansion. > > Fair guess. > > > But if all the vampires die how can there be a Jyhad? > > If Lucita is burned in one game, how can she be influenced back out in > the next? > LOL! ... I just want you all to know, I playtested Lucita. I influenced her out first, and burnt her. So none of the rest of you can play Lucita. Ever. DaveZ Atom Weaver