rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Unleashed hells fury and Block Fail

3 messages from 3 participants · 12 March 2010
original thread on Google Groups

Marandamir

It seems that the timing of when Unleashed hells Fury is a card vs a minion is important, I was curious how the block fail mechanic interacted with the card. It seems that many block fail cards cause the block to fail outright and then prohibit additional block attempts. Many use the text "That minion cannot attempt to block this action again". So some questions arises in how does this text interact with the timing of when UHF is a minion and a non-minion. Timing example: Minion A takes a D action UHF attempts to block and becomes a minion. Minion A plays a block fail and UHF fails to block, reverting back to a card. Can UHF attempt to block again as it is not a minion when it declares its block attempt? Lets say it actually can bypass this restriction and can attempt to block again. When it turns back into a minion what happens then? Does the "That minion cannot attempt to block this action again" text kick in and immediately fail the new attempt? Or does the text only prohibit the initial declaration of a block attempt and UHF is free to block as it is turns into a minion after this occurs?

YY

On Mar 12, 8:17 am, Marandamir <jrg64...@yahoo.com> wrote: > It seems that the timing of when Unleashed hells Fury is a card vs a > minion is important, I was curious how the block fail mechanic > interacted with the card. It seems that many block fail cards cause > the block to fail outright and then prohibit additional block > attempts. Many use the text "That minion cannot attempt to block this > action again". So some questions arises in how does this text > interact with the timing of when UHF is a minion and a non-minion. > > Timing example: > > Minion A takes a D action > UHF attempts to block and becomes a minion. > Minion A plays a block fail and UHF fails to block, reverting back to > a card. > > Can UHF attempt to block again as it is not a minion when it declares > its block attempt? No. It becomes the same vampire that is not allowed to block the current action. Ref: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/a1f55342dd504ce9 > > Lets say it actually can bypass this restriction and can attempt to > block again. When it turns back into a minion what happens then? > Does the "That minion cannot attempt to block this action again" text > kick in and immediately fail the new attempt? Or does the text only > prohibit the initial declaration of a block attempt and UHF is free to > block as it is turns into a minion after this occurs? Moot. -YY

LSJ

On Mar 11, 7:17 pm, Marandamir <jrg64...@yahoo.com> wrote: > It seems that the timing of when Unleashed hells Fury is a card vs a > minion is important, I was curious how the block fail mechanic > interacted with the card. It seems that many block fail cards cause > the block to fail outright and then prohibit additional block > attempts. Many use the text "That minion cannot attempt to block this > action again". So some questions arises in how does this text > interact with the timing of when UHF is a minion and a non-minion. The card is played. The minion that is UHF is the target. The UHF card may or may not be able to block again, but it is moot, since if it can block, then it finds itself to be a minion who is prohibited from blocking and so the attempt immediately ends itself. > Timing example: > > Minion A takes a D action > UHF attempts to block and becomes a minion. > Minion A plays a block fail and UHF fails to block, reverting back to > a card. > > Can UHF attempt to block again as it is not a minion when it declares > its block attempt? Perhaps. If it does so, the block immediately ends as soon as it begins (i.e., as soon as the UHF is a minion again). > Lets say it actually can bypass this restriction and can attempt to > block again. When it turns back into a minion what happens then? > Does the "That minion cannot attempt to block this action again" text > kick in and immediately fail the new attempt? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]