Last sunday, 52 players decided to contest in Palma (Mallorca, Balearic
Island, Spain) for the justicar titles in play. 12 of them were italians,
who came from rome, torino, modena and some other northern cities. Also,
guys from barcelona, Murcia, Madrid and Cordoba joined us in a really hot
and wet weather (it was lucky that the choosen scenario had AC)
On the 3rd edition of our summer tournament, Damnans decided to turn it into
somewhat of test for his reliable judge skills in order to try a few things
for the European tournament, this were mainly two rules:
- ANY DEAL involving VPs were forced to be supervised by the judge, and he
will attend to every player currently at the table to allow it or not
- Players who had finished their games, were not allowed to roam the room,
so they could not "spy" other games and other player's decks. (this was
seriously protested by some locals)
Games were supposed to start at 10.30, but a problem with the archon, which
not showed the final table sittings of each round, retarded the first round
to past 11,30
And the first round started. First comment: Real variety in deck styles, but
it seemed to me that most of the players decided to try out what was Tension
In The Ranks build for. Some gangrels rush decks, 4 eurobrujahs (3 close
range, 1 long range), 1 weenie potence, 1 weenie gun-cel, 1 !gangrel
multirush (earth meld-psyche!), some tzimi walls, 3 ally decks( 1
HoS/Mathias-Shambling, 1 Warghoul deck with !toreadors, and the Iberian
winning tournament deck, a Shambling/war ghoul deck) 4 political decks
(ventrue, lasombra, malkavian, toreador), anarch revolt-weenie, and some
bleeding monsters of all kinds, but mainly giovanni tap and bleed. For
unusual decks, there was a Gangrel Baltimore's Purge deck with 15(!) beast
melds and a DoC/Ven/!tor tap and bleed. Mine was one of the two only Anarch
Deck. The other one was a !ventrue one.
The first round felt like Vietnam to me. Eurobrujah to the left, eurobrujah
to the right, the gun-cel weenie as my grandprey and a setite bleeder which
was ousted before it could even bleed for some. All his vamps were put down
one after the other as they showed up. My predator put in play Constanza and
Anvil, and managed to call an archon on Anvil, while my prey influenced out
volker, Theo bell and Donal. I don't even manage to annoy him, as he
sistematically rushed his prey pistoleros with little success. Then someone
put in play a TiTR at it all became painfull.It forced me to play a Brujah
debate to stop my predator (with 2 vamps, 1 tapped, he could do little to
damage me) and contested volker to my prey. My prey thanked me for the free
maneuver granted to theo, so he could achieve hitting his prey gunners a
bit. Once my 9th vamp hit the table, killed him with little resistance and
it all came up between the gunners and me. He left me to 1 pool before I
managed to torporize all his vamps. Ended the match with the full crypt in
play: 15 vamps.
Tips on the first round: The Lasombra found himself with a really nasty
cross-fire: His predator influenced out wynn, he put in play Monçada and his
prey called Karsh to Arms. The first round ended around 13,30, so we had
only an hour to feed before the next round.
The second round settled me in a 4 players game. My prey was the fastest gio
"you don't block" deck I've ever seen. Isabel and le dihn tho were his
eldest vamps. My grand prey was another italian guy (max?) with a !ventrue
deck that didn't reached to play. My predator was aldo with his 8 siren's
lure tap and bleed deck. The gio deck sept the table, killing me with his
last breath with the *last* card in his deck: A bonding. Ended the game with
11 minions.
The third round was the longest for me. All players were quite nervous, as
nobody had achived 2 table wins yet, and really few games ended in a tie. So
there were a lot of players with 1 GW. For the first time on the tournament,
i had real trouble when trying to go anarch. Both prey (carlo) and predator
(xisca) played tzimi wall decks. My grand predator was Pako with his HoS
Shambling deck, and my grand prey José Roldan with the Shamblings/war ghoul
one. I got systematicaly blocked while attempting to go anarch, and even got
more vamps in torpor than ready. So my prey got little pressure from me and
achieved to oust the shambling decks before i could attempt to do anything.
Until, again, I put in play 2 brujah debates at once. Then it was
surprisingly easy to go anarch and perform revelation's of the sire on my
caitiff. (both prey and predator got only 3 vamps in play) the rest of the
match was rutinary bleed for one, with the ocasional combat that ended with
a tzimi in torpor and my anarch preventing with a diversion. Ended the game
with 10 minions.
Tip of my own deckbuilding stuppidity, and that even the most seasoned
players is able to commit design errors: Orgy of blood can only be usable by
a SABBAT vampire. Sigh.
So I reached final round with 2 GW and 6 VP. Qualified 5th. Only 5 players
reached 2 GW, so we were all in the final round:
Rafel Bonnin 2 GW 8 VP - Ol' Time lasombra vote&bleed
Inyaki Puigdollers 2 GW 7,5 VP- Ol' time Ventrue political deck (crypt 1-2)
Carlos Tomas 2 GW 6,5 VP- Stanislava Baltimore's Purge deck with 15 Beast
Meld
Toni Trias 2 GW 6,5 VP- Tzimisce block with 38 (!) auspex cards
Me 2 GW 6 VP- Brujah Debate-Anarch weenie deck.
We were warned by the judge to speak in spanish, in order for the spectators
to understand what was going on, as all players at the final round use
catalan on our everyday.
The table sitting was:
Rafel-me-Toni-Inyaki-Carlos
The final round was the worst game of the tournament, but simply by stupid
actions tooked by a player who acted on personal bias than other fact. But I
won't advance bits. The start was quite astounding by the BP player: First
turn InfoHighway, second turn Zillah's valley, Stanislava in play before his
prey and predator were able to influence their biggies (monçada and arika,
respectively) by that time, i've got in play Vassillis, Nik, and Uma Hatch
and my prey (with a first turn montreal) the rose and Lolita Houston.
Stanislava fisrt action was a BP, and asked both me and my prey (his allies)
if we are going to annoy him at any extend. I told him he could count on me,
and my prey agreed, too, but asked him to rescue the vamp he was going to
send to torpor with BP. And hostilities broke between them. Both the
lasombra and the ventrue renounced to influence out any vamp at all, and
retarded their first vamp in order to put 2 in play at once. The first BP
send my poor nik to torpor, as lolita did, too. Then he graverobbed lolita
with a beast meld. My prey, then, called in DefCon 1 against the gangrel,
and sistematically attempted to Eagle Sight every action he performed. With
the second BP called by Stanislava, carlos threw the game away as he
diablerized Rose WITHOUT HAVING ANY VOTE LOCK. So the game was over for him,
and to some extend, for me too, as my predator played thereafter without any
pressure at all while the ventrue ousted the gangrel and i started bleeding
my prey. Rafel reached a deal with the tzimi (i was about to oust him, but 9
pool is not enough against such a deck) my hand was clogged with 4
diversions and 2 Brujah debates, so could do little against my predator's
stealth. Rafel ousted me and let toni free of pressure in order for him to
oust the ventrue, so they could decide head-to-head whom of them will held
the title of ventrue justicar. Inyaki defended himself and time reached to
the end, Island of Yaros served him well on this purpose (some finalists had
a flight to take so the judge decided that the final round had to be timed
to 2 hours and a half)
So Rafel ended up winning, followed by Inyaki and then by Toni Trias on his
first final.
Thanks specially to all the italians that came around Palma for a nice
weekend, hope to see them soon!
My decklist:
Deck Name: Bakunin was right
Created By: Tom
Description: Swarm steadily. Built up your vamps, but don't bleed a lot at
first unless the whole table has it's attention on someone else. Once one
player has died, or you had enough resources to defend yourself, go put in
play brujah debates and bleed. I find it really nice to play a swarm,
weenie deck that a) let's other people play, to some extend, and b)doesn't
go carzily bleeding for 1 with 8 minions turn after turn.
Crypt: (16 cards, Min: 5, Max: 20, Avg: 3,00)
---------------------------------------------
1 Volker CEL pot 5, Brujah, Prince
2 Brachah for CEL PRE 5, Brujah
1 Black Cat CEL pot pre 5, Brujah
1 Yuri cel pot pre 4, Brujah
1 Hector Sosa pre POT 4, Brujah
1 Uma Hatch cel pre 3, Brujah
1 Raziya Samater ani pot 3, Brujah
1 Dre cel pot 3, Brujah
1 Vasilis pre 2, Brujah
1 Magdelena Schaefer THA 2, Caitiff
1 Lupo pot 2, Brujah
1 Angel cel 2, Brujah
1 Smudge the Ignored none 1, Caitiff
1 Nik cel 1, Caitiff
1 Antoinette DuChamp cel pre 1, Caitiff
Library: (90 cards)
-------------------
Master (26 cards)
1 Anarch Free Press (The)
1 Anarch Troublemaker
5 Blood Doll
6 Brujah Debate
1 Coven, The
2 Direct Intervention
3 Fortitude
2 Haven Uncovered
1 Hospital Food
1 Parthenon, The
2 Seattle Committee
1 Warzone Hunting Ground
Action (19 cards)
1 Aranthebes, The Immortal
3 Atonement
1 Fee Stake: Corte
1 Fee Stake: Los Angeles
1 Fee Stake: New York
1 Fee Stake: Perth
4 Revelation of the Sire
4 Sanguine Instruction
2 Smash and Grab
1 Status Perfectus (The)
Political Action (8 cards)
3 Anarch Salon
4 Consanguineous Boon
1 Rumors of Gehenna
Reaction (21 cards)
5 Car Bomb
2 Delaying Tactics
5 Forced Awakening
4 Mole (The)
5 Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (16 cards)
11 Diversion
1 Orgy of Blood
4 Taste of Vitae
Hope you had enjoyed the read!
Smiling Tom
[snip]
> Tip of my own deckbuilding stuppidity, and that even the most seasoned
> players is able to commit design errors: Orgy of blood can only be usable by
> a SABBAT vampire. Sigh.
Ehm having checked the errata at WW's site it is not Sabbat-only.
Orgy of Blood [Sabbat:R, SW:R]
Cardtype: Combat
Only usable when a minion you control burns an ally controlled by
another Methuselah.
Each of your vampires gains X blood from the blood bank, where X is
the recruitment cost of the ally. (Remove excess blood.)
Or am I smoking crack now?
[snip]
Tim Eijpe wrote:
>>Tip of my own deckbuilding stuppidity, and that even the most seasoned
>>players is able to commit design errors: Orgy of blood can only be usable by
>>a SABBAT vampire. Sigh.>
> Ehm having checked the errata at WW's site it is not Sabbat-only.> Or am I smoking crack now?http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/migration.html
Orgy of Blood: doesn't require a ready Sabbat vampire [SW]
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
On 20 Aug 2003 05:59:40 -0700, time...@mail.com (Tim Eijpe) scrawled:
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In fact, it doesn't even require a vampire at all. You can play it
when your war ghoul smacks out Leonardo (because he blocked the attack
on stinking carlotta), and all your vampires will gain a blood. :)
salem
domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm
"Smiling Tom" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote
>
> - ANY DEAL involving VPs were forced to be supervised by the judge,
and he
> will attend to every player currently at the table to allow it or not
Cool. How did this work out?
> - Players who had finished their games, were not allowed to roam the
room,
> so they could not "spy" other games and other player's decks. (this
was
> seriously protested by some locals)
I like this one. I've seen far too much kibbutzing at tournaments. Not
even just watching but spectators actively helping someone who is
playing in a game. Makes me want to throw up.
> We were warned by the judge to speak in spanish, in order for the
spectators
> to understand what was going on, as all players at the final round use
> catalan on our everyday.
Aren't you required to speak English during a tournament game or
something? (As a game rule I mean--not insulting Spanish/Catalan etc :)
I've never played anywhere that English was not the main (or only)
language spoken, but since the cards are printed in English I thought
there was a rule on this.
After all, it would hardly be fair to discuss deals and such if some of
the players at the table did not speak the language and therefore did
not understand the deal.
(Err... unless of course we are talking about a JOL game where all deals
are private because they are sent via email. That's fun instead :)
How is it that the spectators were allowed to watch this when earlier
you stated that the spectators were prevented from watching? I'm
confused... are you referring to spectators who were not playing? The
general public, in other words?
> Deck Name: Bakunin was right
No argument here. I figured a Spaniard would prefer Durruti before
Bakunin, but whatever :)
An interesting deck. I may try to build this one for myself. Frankly, I
am surprised to see an Anarchs deck win anything this large.
Cheers,
WES
"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> escribió en el mensaje
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>
> "Smiling Tom" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote
> >
> > - ANY DEAL involving VPs were forced to be supervised by the judge,
> and he
> > will attend to every player currently at the table to allow it or not
>
> Cool. How did this work out?
>
Damnans did it farewell, afaik. Whenever someone started to discuss a deal
involving VPs, he came around the table, took sit, and heard the proposal,
what other players thought so far and the disposal of current game status in
order to approve it. Have to say that no table-win deals were made at all,
but deals involving "help me kill my predator and then leave me some room
for me to oust mine, then we'll both end the game tête a tête to see who
gets the GW" were seen.
> > - Players who had finished their games, were not allowed to roam the
> room,
> > so they could not "spy" other games and other player's decks. (this
> was
> > seriously protested by some locals)
>
> I like this one. I've seen far too much kibbutzing at tournaments. Not
> even just watching but spectators actively helping someone who is
> playing in a game. Makes me want to throw up.
>
> > We were warned by the judge to speak in spanish, in order for the
> spectators
> > to understand what was going on, as all players at the final round use
> > catalan on our everyday.
>
> Aren't you required to speak English during a tournament game or
> something? (As a game rule I mean--not insulting Spanish/Catalan etc :)
>
Not if all players agree to use other language. If some player demands it,
of course, others are enforced to speak english. But that's only used when
people from different nationalities are in the same game.
> I've never played anywhere that English was not the main (or only)
> language spoken, but since the cards are printed in English I thought
> there was a rule on this.
>
Then VTES will loose LOTS of players in european countries.
For the forthcoming European Tournament; Palla Grande: Barcelona, our wish
is to have an english-speaking judge for every few tables, in order to help
out those who understand written english but have not any skill at all in
spoken english.
> After all, it would hardly be fair to discuss deals and such if some of
> the players at the table did not speak the language and therefore did
> not understand the deal.
>
Of course, then judge is called, and other players are enforced to speak
english (or any other language that all players at the table agree at)
> (Err... unless of course we are talking about a JOL game where all deals
> are private because they are sent via email. That's fun instead :)
>
> How is it that the spectators were allowed to watch this when earlier
> you stated that the spectators were prevented from watching? I'm
> confused... are you referring to spectators who were not playing? The
> general public, in other words?
>
Because it was the final round. Spectators were allowed as long as they
stayed quiet and silent.
> > Deck Name: Bakunin was right
>
> No argument here. I figured a Spaniard would prefer Durruti before
> Bakunin, but whatever :)
>
Good catch. But the Durruti Column is a name I have already used on
*another* anarch-brujah debate deck featuring Menele as main star.
> An interesting deck. I may try to build this one for myself. Frankly, I
> am surprised to see an Anarchs deck win anything this large.
>
I didn't win. I reached final round with 2 GW and 6 VPs. But this really
amusing and successful deck to play and has done well so far: The 2nd and
final round I lost in this tournament were both the 2 only games I've lost
so far with this deck. Until this tournament, I've won every single game
I've played with it.
BTW, there was a typo in the transcription of the deck: I removed Anarch
troublemaker for a Powerbase: Montreal.
> Cheers,
> WES
>
Smiling Tom
> On the 3rd edition of our summer tournament, Damnans decided to turn it
into
> somewhat of test for his reliable judge skills in order to try a few
things
> for the European tournament, this were mainly two rules:
> - ANY DEAL involving VPs were forced to be supervised by the judge, and he
> will attend to every player currently at the table to allow it or not
I suggest that players also have to call the judge if they want to go to the
toilet if he allows it or not.
This is the biggest crap I have ever heard.
1. If a player has the feeling that an unfair deal is going on he can always
call the judge. As long as no one feels bad, why should there be a judge ?
2. In a tournament with a lot of deal making (e.g belgium qualifier) this
would have stretched the rounds to about 4h I guess.
3. Rather think of something effective (I said effective!) measure against
stalling and slow play. This is a real problem with 2h time limits.
> - Players who had finished their games, were not allowed to roam the room,
> so they could not "spy" other games and other player's decks. (this was
> seriously protested by some locals)
Seems to be a common practice at the moment. I like this rule, but not
because I fear that other people could spy my deck. The bigger problem is
peopling watching tables who cannot keep their mouth shut.
--
johannes walch
v:ekn germany - http://www.vekn.de/
"Tim Eijpe" <time...@mail.com> escribió en el mensaje
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Oh my!!!! That's good news to me. The sabbat version of the card has the
text "only usable by a sabbat vampire" so I didn't checked it. But I did
win the only game were I could have used this card, and indeed I attempted
to, so no problem so far.
As so many ally decks are seen in tournament environments nowadays (at least
in spain, where except for this tournament 1 or more ally decks are in every
tournament final round) I'll pack one in all decks eager to kill allies.
Smiling Tom
"Johannes Walch" <johanne...@vekn.de> escribió en el mensaje
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> > On the 3rd edition of our summer tournament, Damnans decided to turn it
> into
> > somewhat of test for his reliable judge skills in order to try a few
> things
> > for the European tournament, this were mainly two rules:
> > - ANY DEAL involving VPs were forced to be supervised by the judge, and
he
> > will attend to every player currently at the table to allow it or not
>
>
> I suggest that players also have to call the judge if they want to go to
the
> toilet if he allows it or not.
Indeed it was already enforced to call the judge in order to leave the table
for any reason
> This is the biggest crap I have ever heard.
>
Your opinion
> 1. If a player has the feeling that an unfair deal is going on he can
always
> call the judge. As long as no one feels bad, why should there be a judge ?
>
Because of loosing deals, in which a player agrees on the loosing side of a
table-splitting deal, if that player has any possibilities at all to *still*
achieve a GW.
> 2. In a tournament with a lot of deal making (e.g belgium qualifier) this
> would have stretched the rounds to about 4h I guess.
>
This 52 players' tournament has seen the LEAST number of stalled games,
i.e., games not finished when time reached the 2 h. limit in spain. The
simple anounce that such deals are going to be supervised retracted a fair
amount of players to even attempt them.
> 3. Rather think of something effective (I said effective!) measure against
> stalling and slow play. This is a real problem with 2h time limits.
>
This has proven effective, as most games ended before the 2 h. limit.
> > - Players who had finished their games, were not allowed to roam the
room,
> > so they could not "spy" other games and other player's decks. (this was
> > seriously protested by some locals)
>
> Seems to be a common practice at the moment. I like this rule, but not
> because I fear that other people could spy my deck. The bigger problem is
> peopling watching tables who cannot keep their mouth shut.
>
Agreed.
> --
> johannes walch
> v:ekn germany - http://www.vekn.de/
>
Smiling Tom
> Because of loosing deals, in which a player agrees on the loosing side of
a
> table-splitting deal, if that player has any possibilities at all to
*still*
> achieve a GW.
I was not seeing this as a problem because most of the players over here are
rather fierce ;-) and usually don愒 agree to loosing deals ...
> This 52 players' tournament has seen the LEAST number of stalled games,
> i.e., games not finished when time reached the 2 h. limit in spain. The
> simple anounce that such deals are going to be supervised retracted a fair
> amount of players to even attempt them.
This is an interesting effect. Probably it isn愒 such a bad idea then ....
it愀 a shame that I do not have the time to come to the EC and see how it
works out.
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Wes wrote:
>
> "Smiling Tom" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote
> >
> > - ANY DEAL involving VPs were forced to be supervised by the judge,
> and he
> > will attend to every player currently at the table to allow it or not
>
> Cool. How did this work out?
Not bad. There were just a few deals involving VPs during the tournament.
And, as Tom as already pointed out, the absence of this kind of deals
might have been dued to the fact they should be reported to me in advance.
As usual, the problem with any deal involving VPs comes from the player
making a losing deal, not from the one making the winning deal (who
actually achieves the goal of the game: winning the game = GW).
In addition to announcing that deals involving VPs should be supervised by
a judge, before the start of the tournament, I told the players in
attendance to play to win the game (which might seem obvious for most, but
not for newbies, for instance), and that, if they could not win the game,
they should get as many VPs as possible.
I also told them I would supervise any self-oust, before it happened.
[...]
> > We were warned by the judge to speak in spanish, in order for the
> spectators
> > to understand what was going on, as all players at the final round use
> > catalan on our everyday.
>
> Aren't you required to speak English during a tournament game or
> something? (As a game rule I mean--not insulting Spanish/Catalan etc :)
He, he... No. When each player at a given table speaks the same language
(Catalan or Spanish in this case), they are not forced to speak in
English, obviously.
[...]
Greetings,
Damnans
"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:<bi1l2...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> I like this one. I've seen far too much kibbutzing at tournaments. Not
> even just watching but spectators actively helping someone who is
> playing in a game. Makes me want to throw up.
That's a nasty one. I've seen many players ask a commenting spectator
to leave the table - NOW. Rule 2.4 provides for this.
> > We were warned by the judge to speak in spanish, in order for the
> spectators
> > to understand what was going on, as all players at the final round use
> > catalan on our everyday.
>
> Aren't you required to speak English during a tournament game or
> something? (As a game rule I mean--not insulting Spanish/Catalan etc :)
>
> I've never played anywhere that English was not the main (or only)
> language spoken, but since the cards are printed in English I thought
> there was a rule on this.
Probably not really neccesary for (non-Championship/Qualifier) events
where all participants at the table share a common tongue. Not in the
tournament rules either, from my last scan.
Try playing in a Benelux Qualifier, if you ever get the chance. 4
languages all mixed up - fun. :)
(Although Jo did enforce everyone to play in English in the final -
and helpful people translated the swearing. :) )
> After all, it would hardly be fair to discuss deals and such if some of
> the players at the table did not speak the language and therefore did
> not understand the deal.
Which would easily fall under the 'unsportsmanlike conduct' rule.
Tobias
"Smiling Tom" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<bhvha2$6o1$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>...
> Last sunday, 52 players decided to contest in Palma (Mallorca, Balearic
> Island, Spain) for the justicar titles in play. 12 of them were italians,
> who came from rome, torino, modena and some other northern cities. Also,
> guys from barcelona, Murcia, Madrid and Cordoba joined us in a really hot
> and wet weather (it was lucky that the choosen scenario had AC)
Your isle is th best place in the world!!! :-)
> On the 3rd edition of our summer tournament, Damnans decided to turn it into
> somewhat of test for his reliable judge skills in order to try a few things
> for the European tournament, this were mainly two rules:
> - ANY DEAL involving VPs were forced to be supervised by the judge, and he
> will attend to every player currently at the table to allow it or not
> - Players who had finished their games, were not allowed to roam the room,
> so they could not "spy" other games and other player's decks. (this was
> seriously protested by some locals)
really a risky idea but it work fine , the deals was revised & each
player can say his/her viewpoint about it. Great work!!
> > The third round was the longest for me. All players were quite nervous, as
> nobody had achived 2 table wins yet, and really few games ended in a tie. So
> there were a lot of players with 1 GW. For the first time on the tournament,
> i had real trouble when trying to go anarch. Both prey (carlo) and predator
> (xisca) played tzimi wall decks. My grand predator was Pako with his HoS
> Shambling deck, and my grand prey José Roldan with the Shamblings/war ghoul
> one. I got systematicaly blocked while attempting to go anarch, and even got
> more vamps in torpor than ready. So my prey got little pressure from me and
> achieved to oust the shambling decks before i could attempt to do anything.
> Until, again, I put in play 2 brujah debates at once. Then it was
> surprisingly easy to go anarch and perform revelation's of the sire on my
> caitiff. (both prey and predator got only 3 vamps in play) the rest of the
> match was rutinary bleed for one, with the ocasional combat that ended with
> a tzimi in torpor and my anarch preventing with a diversion. Ended the game
> with 10 minions.
You patient during the game & you cold-blood was to me , the reason
that you win this game Tom , it and the brujah debates ,of course :-p
> Tip of my own deckbuilding stuppidity, and that even the most seasoned
> players is able to commit design errors: Orgy of blood can only be usable by
> a SABBAT vampire. Sigh.
>
:D
> >
> The final round was the worst game of the tournament, but simply by stupid
> actions tooked by a player who acted on personal bias than other fact. But I
> won't advance bits. The start was quite astounding by the BP player: First
> turn InfoHighway, second turn Zillah's valley, Stanislava in play before his
I think like you tom , the final was the worts game that i have be
seen , but i think that it was cause Tony & the guy with purgas are
novice players, and i think too that this final was his first final.
> So Rafel ended up winning, followed by Inyaki and then by Toni Trias on his
> first final.
>
> Thanks specially to all the italians that came around Palma for a nice
> weekend, hope to see them soon!
>
> My decklist:
>
bah , a weenie deck .-p .Great wirk Tom building this deck ;-)
> Deck Name: Bakunin was right
> Created By: Tom
Thanks for all,it was a great tournament for me .
In message <bi1sdf$le6$1...@stu1id2.ip.tesion.net>, Johannes Walch
<johanne...@vekn.de> writes:
>1. If a player has the feeling that an unfair deal is going on he can always
>call the judge. As long as no one feels bad, why should there be a judge ?
Actually, this one has some merit.
I have a number of times started a tournament with my standard spiel of
things I know go wrong frequently, and asked people to call me over for
deal making if they're having trouble. (I have never asked for it to be
mandatory, however.)
The problem is not that deals are made where no one feels bad. Those
are great! Problems can, however, occur further down the line.
Consider that some behaviour, which would otherwise have to be ruled
against, can be legal, if it occurs as the result of a deal. When the
details of a deal are unclear or ambiguous, and one of the affected
players has a different interpretation, it can be useful for a/the judge
to have been there, so they know what was said.
This is rather different from going round every player on a table and
asking them, however, which is just a recipe for players badly affected
by a deal to be able to stick their oar in to cancel a deal - which is
certainly against the spirit of the rules.
--
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"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:<bi1l2...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> I like this one. I've seen far too much kibbutzing at tournaments. Not> even just watching but spectators actively helping someone who is
> playing in a game. Makes me want to throw up.
Heh. In my case, my "friends" once came by during my last prelim game
in a tourney asking questions like, "Aren't you dead yet?" or "Die
already--we want to get dinner!" :)
-mummy