rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

pre-combat timing questions

2 messages from 2 participants · 09 May 1996
original thread on Google Groups

Murcalumis

immediately after being successfully blocked by a younger vamp (i.e. another meth's vamp attempts to block my un-stealthed bleed and i don't increase my older vamp's stealth, therefore our vamps enter combat) can i use my owl companion to see the other meth's hand and then play superior thoughts betrayed before the other meth can play anything (like thoughts betrayed)? can i play the inferior version of aura reading to see the other meth's hand and then play superior thoughts betrayed before the other meth can play anything? okay, now my vamp has successfully blocked a younger vamp, can i play obedience before the other meth plays thoughts betrayed? can any combat cards be played (or any retainers used, specifically an owl companion or a ghoul escort) before an obedience? i would appreciate yes/no answers followed by explanations...thanks in advance... --V--V-- simulacrum "Modern art wishes to be negative, critical, innovative and a perpetual surpassing, as well as immediately (or almost) assimilated, accepted, integrated, consumed. One must surrender to the evidence: art no longer contests anything, if it ever did." -- Jean Baudrillard

L. Scott Johnson

In article <4msel2$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Murcalumis <murca...@aol.com> wrote: >immediately after being successfully blocked by a younger vamp (i.e. >another meth's vamp attempts to block my un-stealthed bleed and i don't >increase my older vamp's stealth, therefore our vamps enter combat) can i >use my owl companion to see the other meth's hand and then play superior >thoughts betrayed before the other meth can play anything (like thoughts >betrayed)? No. The Rules Team has made it clear that Thoughts Betrayed is played before combat is entered (as combat is entered). There is no opportunity to view the opponents' hand with an Owl Companion before deciding to play TB. >can i play the inferior version of aura reading to see the other meth's >hand and then play superior thoughts betrayed before the other meth can >play anything? No. Aura reading definitely comes long after the opportunity to play TB. (Same reason as above). >okay, now my vamp has successfully blocked a younger vamp, can i play >obedience before the other meth plays thoughts betrayed? Yes. All action modifiers/reaction cards "beat" Thought Betrayed - which is the last thing to be played before combat begins. >can any combat cards be played (or any retainers used, specifically an owl >companion or a ghoul escort) before an obedience? No (Ghoul Escort - Yes). No - Obedience comes before all combat effects. Ghoul Escort is not a combat card - it is a when blocked card. You burn the Ghoul instead of going to the combat step, which effectively denies the prospect of playing Obedience. [ quoted text not captured ]