Soul gem and forced contesting

What happens if I have a 9-cap and an 8-cap in play. The 8 cap has the soul gem and is burned. The vampire I draw from my crypt is the 9-cap I already have in play. Do I burn the incoming copy, and then draw the next one and check the soul gem against that? Or against the original 8-cap? Or do I burn the incoming copy and the soul gem and then dont draw another?

[ quoted text not captured ] Well, if the 8-cap burns and you find a 9-cap, it never enters play, it goes to the uncontrolled region per card text on Soul Gem of Etrius. I will now rewrite your scenario with more interesting results ... I have a 7-cap and 6-cap in play. The 7-cap has a Soul Gem and is burned. The vampire I draw is the 6-cap I already have in play. What happens? The 6-cap enters play with the Soul Gem, full blood, and then burns because I cannot self contest. This triggers the Soul Gem and I check the next vampire vs a capacity of 6, the vampire that just burned. I am not LSJ, but I did create Turbo Baron, so I am pretty up-to-date on Soul Gem tricks. Later versions of Turbo Baron used 1x The Baron (9 cap), 2x Potchli (8 cap), and the rest 7 cap and below. I wanted to increase my chances of getting Potchli in play (and the sooner the better), since his card recycling ability is very nice for a combo deck, and if I already had Potchli in play, he would safely burn and I would get my next vampire (the rest being less than 8 cap). In some versions I played with 3x Potchli, since I would only run into a problem if I had Potchli in play, flipped Potchli to the Soul Gem and then flipped the other Potchli after the contesting burning. Later, ~Rehlow

Rehlow wrote: > I have a 7-cap and 6-cap in play. The 7-cap has a Soul Gem and is > burned. The vampire I draw is the 6-cap I already have in play. What > happens? > > The 6-cap enters play with the Soul Gem, full blood, and then burns > because I cannot self contest. This triggers the Soul Gem and I check > the next vampire vs a capacity of 6, the vampire that just burned. Correct. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/1b097a8c4e9dea18

[ quoted text not captured ] Dammit. I wanted to use the repeatability of the diablery action and Tylers untap ability together with for instance Victorine Lafoucarde, to limit the cards required for a recycling to force of will (with a couple of conditionings for boost).. I'll have to go with my one of my other ideas instead then... :(

[ quoted text not captured ] Remember that vampires with superior fortitude can choose to play Force of Will at inferior. If after paying for Force of Will (and any other cards like Conditioning) the vampire is at zero blood, the 2 aggravated damage from inferior FoW will burn them, setting off your Soul Gem. Later, ~Rehlow

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes? What do you mean? I create and play quite a few of turbo and turbolike decks. But I want to use as few cards as possible for them to make it flow as easy as possible. This would have been sweet because it was only 1 card (Victorine gets soul gem, force of will, goes to torpor, diblarized by Tyler who untaps, rinse-repeat). I'll try my Jacob the Glitch thing instead.

niko...@hotmail.com wrote: > > Yes? What do you mean? > I create and play quite a few of turbo and turbolike decks. But I want > to use as few cards as possible for them to make it flow as easy as > possible. This would have been sweet because it was only 1 card > (Victorine gets soul gem, force of will, goes to torpor, diblarized by > Tyler who untaps, rinse-repeat). > > I'll try my Jacob the Glitch thing instead. > Frontal Assault, Jacob with Soul Gem rushes your prey, 2x Weather Control, Burst of Sunlight, rinse, repeat? Is that your Jacob thing? Because *that* Jacob thing would be awesome. S:CE sucks for it though.

[ quoted text not captured ] Hehe, that sounds funny. No, I'm trying to work with a different angle right now. It's more card heavy than my other turbotries, but it should have other advantages. I want to try something with Jacob getting an infernal familiar, freak drive, reanimated corpse, daring the dawn. Rinse-repeat. Either that or replace the daring with force of will. That would give bleeds for 2 along the way, but it would mean that each zombie would be around for one less turn. Either way, it would be quite devastating to have 10 zombies out on turn 3.. Its the only way 'around' his huge disadvantage that I have found, since when a turbo deck stops its usually because you NEED handcycling.. :)

[ quoted text not captured ] A vampire can play only 1 Weather Control each combat. With hitback he'd burn at 1x WC+BoS, tho. Merlin

Merlin wrote: > Chris Berger wrote: > > > > Frontal Assault, Jacob with Soul Gem rushes your prey, 2x Weather > > Control, Burst of Sunlight, rinse, repeat? Is that your Jacob thing? > > Because *that* Jacob thing would be awesome. S:CE sucks for it though. > > A vampire can play only 1 Weather Control each combat. > > With hitback he'd burn at 1x WC+BoS, tho. > Ah, damn text migrations. That one's from a while ago too, but I guess I never noticed it. I guess 1 Weather Control + BoS isn't so bad. It only fails to burn you when they dodge (as compared to 2x WC + BoS). More damage to the enemy before burning is preferrable, obviously, but that's okay. Too bad there isn't a Blood to Water equivalent that's usable first round, like spend 2 blood to make the opposing vampire burn 2 or 3 blood.

[ quoted text not captured ] Go for Serenading the Kami. Jacob spends one on that, loses a blood to Weather Control. Burns himself with Burst. Or cut the Weather Control and use Perfect Clarity. Not that I think it'll be a great deck or anything, but Jacob would probably fairly reliably burn. Matt Morgan

Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > Go for Serenading the Kami. Jacob spends one on that, loses a blood to > Weather Control. Burns himself with Burst. > > Or cut the Weather Control and use Perfect Clarity. > > Not that I think it'll be a great deck or anything, but Jacob would > probably fairly reliably burn. The Perfect Clarity would also stop the opposing minion from playing Majesty (and other pre combat cards), too, wouldn't it? That's got to be good... -- salem http://users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/vtes/ (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

Salem wrote: > Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > >> Go for Serenading the Kami. Jacob spends one on that, loses a blood >> to Weather Control. Burns himself with Burst. >> >> Or cut the Weather Control and use Perfect Clarity. >> >> Not that I think it'll be a great deck or anything, but Jacob would >> probably fairly reliably burn. > > The Perfect Clarity would also stop the opposing minion from playing > Majesty (and other pre combat cards), too, wouldn't it? That's got to be > good... > "pre" being "presence". Not "pre-combat" cards (although I guess it would stop Obedience, too...) [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] There is. It costs 1, opponent burns 2, and it's called Thin Blood. Quiteus, for when Thaumaturgy just aint cutting it... :)

Salem wrote: > Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > > > Go for Serenading the Kami. Jacob spends one on that, loses a blood to > > Weather Control. Burns himself with Burst. > > > > Or cut the Weather Control and use Perfect Clarity. > > > > Not that I think it'll be a great deck or anything, but Jacob would > > probably fairly reliably burn. > > The Perfect Clarity would also stop the opposing minion from playing > Majesty (and other pre combat cards), too, wouldn't it? That's got to be > good... > Ah yes, Perfect Clarity. Brilliant. Brillianter than 2x Weather Control, even if that was still possible. I was thinking you want to maximize the chance of burning your opponent's vampire, but that doesn't really matter. Assuming you have unlimited Jacobs (and why would you not? ;) ), after you whack all his vamps into torpor, you then diab them all. All you need is the votes you need to burn your vamp... which is of course probably impossible, but as long as we're talking about silly combos, why not assume vote control as well... ;)