New, New Objective (was New Objective: Withdrawing...)

In article <4kl3vm$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) wrote: > In article <Pine.NXT.3.91.960411182725.964B-100000@pentode>, The Corrupter > <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> writes: > >[Re: work on a Withdraw deck] > >Auspex: Counter/Misdirection, Aura Reading (to increase hand size), > >Telepathic Vote counting. > Iffy. Only offensive. Noted. I forgot the text of the card and thought it was a reaction. Add delaying tactics to the disciplineless cards... > >Dominate: Deflection, Obedience, Pulling Strings, Kindred Coercion > Deflection cost blood and doesn't help in the withdrawing round, although > of course it's great before the end. Auspex is obligatory for this goal.. Deflection costs blood, but that is unimportant if you are attempting to withdraw. You fail to withdraw if you lose _pool_ or are in combat. [Snip Disciplineless cards. > >Clans: Tremere, if you want to throw in Cryptic Missions and Arcane Library. > >Malkavians for Malkavian Pranks, Game of Malkav. > I concede the Malks are VERY thematically appropriate. [Re: Curt feels Toreador w/ Majesty/Presence, I feel Dominate works better.] > No, you do need to be able to extract yourself from fights. You are > correct that Dominate can sub for that too with Obedience. However, > Celerity is great for the Distractions, which allow you to rebalance your > hand AND speed up the end. Distraction is good for clearing up one's hand, but this could be subsituted for with Fragments of the Book of Nod and the Barrens. In addition, the use of permanents allows for a smaller deck. > You could do this with a Malk/Tremere deck (AUS/DOM). But it wouldn't > have the Celerity. True, but I don't think it's necessary. A new question: How to make a Withdraw deck that gets at least _TWO_ victory points? :) I think that might be a fun project. "I can send and receive e-mail even over the Internet"-aol commercial @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$ # Adrian Sullivan sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu Spoutingly yours 8^) # $ GAT/CS/O/WS R+++* tv&--- b++(+++)&+ t X++&-- 5->? e+*>++++ PS+&-+ @ # PE&++&- C(+++)$ UX+>+++$ N++(+) K+>++++ w---$>? M++$ r(+) z*+? 3.1# @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$

In article <Pine.NXT.3.91.960412120202.608B-100000@pentode>, The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> wrote: : > >Dominate: Deflection, Obedience, Pulling Strings, Kindred Coercion : : > Deflection cost blood and doesn't help in the withdrawing round, although : > of course it's great before the end. Auspex is obligatory for this goal.. : : Deflection costs blood, but that is unimportant if you are attempting to : withdraw. You fail to withdraw if you lose _pool_ or are in combat. Actually the specific wording is that you cannot lose pool, and your minions cannot lose any blood or enter combat. That really just leave Obedience and Telepathic Counter in the withdrawing round. : True, but I don't think it's necessary. : : A new question: : How to make a Withdraw deck that gets at least _TWO_ victory points? :) : I think that might be a fun project. Hmm. Could be fun. stephen beaulieu

hi...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen Beaulieu) writes: [ quoted text not captured ] >Hmm. Could be fun. Well, you could eliminate your prey, then sit back and wait for your new prey to ouste your predator. Then make sure you get Lextalonis through when you try to withdraw. :) Mike

In article <4ko8ke$o...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, mboh...@students.uiuc.edu (Mike Bohlmann) wrote: >In article <Pine.NXT.3.91.960412120202.608B-100000@pentode>, The Corrupter ><sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> wrote: >: A new question: >: How to make a Withdraw deck that gets at least _TWO_ victory points? :) >: I think that might be a fun project. > Well, you could eliminate your prey, then sit back and wait for your new > prey to ouste your predator. Then make sure you get Lextalonis through > when you try to withdraw. :) Good idea. The effort your predator will make to recover from the Lextalionis would make it alot more difficult for them to attack. It is also easy to convince your prey to go along with it, because they will be in a position with a weak predator. Now that I think about it, GREAT idea! :) [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <Pine.NXT.3.91.960412120202.608B-100000@pentode>, The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> writes: >A new question: >How to make a Withdraw deck that gets at least _TWO_ victory points? :) >I think that might be a fun project. I think the best shot would be with a Malk S&B deck using copious defenses of the kind outlined for successful withdrawing (Telepathic Counter, Obedience, and Pulling Strings). Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)

curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) writes: [ quoted text not captured ] Or, you could use a Toreador (TC, Dread Gaze/Delaying Tactics/Vote-Back) voting deck, using your KRC and Conservative Agitations to help oust your grand Prey, then save her with Life Boon. Then turn your votes against *her* Prey, helping your grand Prey. When ousted, *you* get the victory point. This tactic is usually faster since you basically have two Meth's ganging up on one - which is very difficult (and annoying) to defend against. Plus you don't have to worry about your Malk's losing their heads :-[ --- Aside: Funny how a successful Malk Dementia won't thwart a withdrawal attempt - losing a minion rather than losing a minion's blood. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | I.R.S. motto: http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | We've got what it takes Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | to take what you've got!