Collateral Damage: Puzzler

Nathan Harada wrote: > How much damage can one vampire do in one round? > Any vampire-any combination of disciplines-in any round you choose. Oh-and you have a maximum hand size of seven cards, a deck of 60 cards, and you _are_ using the forced withdrawal rules from Sabbat. Try not to kill yourself doing this. > For example: 1st round Lazverinus(Legendary Vampire, Clan > Impersonation, Isle of Yiaros,) Torn Signpost, Increased Strength 2, > Fists of Death, Decapitate=17 damage. > You get the picture. > -Nathan Harada

How much damage can one vampire do in one round? Any vampire-any combination of disciplines-in any round you choose. For example: 1st round Lazverinus(Legendary Vampire, Clan [ quoted text not captured ]

Nathan Harada wrote: > > Nathan Harada wrote: > > How much damage can one vampire do in one round? > > Any vampire-any combination of disciplines-in any round you choose. > > Oh-and you have a maximum hand size of seven cards, a deck of > 60 cards, and you _are_ using the forced withdrawal rules > from Sabbat. Try not to kill yourself doing this. The amount is unlimited - dependent (e.g.) on the number of counters you can get on a Crimson Sentinel, which is infinite. Or, it is dependent on the number of Wolf Companions you can collect, which is a function of the number of players in the game (assuming everyone has a library filled with Wolves and you have a Shepherd's Innocence. :-) etc. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

Nathan Harada (i...@hula.net) wrote: : How much damage can one vampire do in one round? : Any vampire-any combination of disciplines-in any round you choose. : For example: 1st round Lazverinus(Legendary Vampire, Clan : Impersonation, Isle of Yiaros,) Torn Signpost, Increased Strength 2, : Fists of Death, Decapitate=17 damage. : You get the picture. Infinite. You can play multiple increased strength, multiple fists of death, and of course, there's Crimson Sentinel. : -Nathan Harada Sungil Kim were...@plaza.snu.ac.kr

On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:18:10 -0700, "L. Scott Johnson" <vte...@regency.wizards.com> wrote: >Nathan Harada wrote: >> >> Nathan Harada wrote: >> > How much damage can one vampire do in one round? >> > Any vampire-any combination of disciplines-in any round you choose. >> >> Oh-and you have a maximum hand size of seven cards, a deck of >> 60 cards, and you _are_ using the forced withdrawal rules >> from Sabbat. Try not to kill yourself doing this. > >The amount is unlimited - dependent (e.g.) on the number of counters >you can get on a Crimson Sentinel, which is infinite. > >Or, it is dependent on the number of Wolf Companions you can >collect, which is a function of the number of players in the >game (assuming everyone has a library filled with Wolves and >you have a Shepherd's Innocence. :-) > Okay, how about when one does not have any "permanent" cards on the vampire in play; eg. no masters, no equipment, no retainers, etc. The only cards allowed in the scenario are combat cards of one type or another. Same deck size limitations. Compute; anyone who can explain to me why death of my conscience doesn't help you get more damage gets extra credit. Alec Chang

Alec Chang writes: >>> > How much damage can one vampire do in one round? >>> > Any vampire-any combination of disciplines-in any round you choose. >>> >>> Oh-and you have a maximum hand size of seven cards, a deck of >>> 60 cards, and you _are_ using the forced withdrawal rules >>> from Sabbat. Try not to kill yourself doing this. >> >Okay, how about when one does not have any "permanent" cards on the >vampire in play; eg. no masters, no equipment, no retainers, etc. The >only cards allowed in the scenario are combat cards of one type or >another. Same deck size limitations. > >Compute; anyone who can explain to me why death of my conscience >doesn't help you get more damage gets extra credit. > >Alec Chang Not fun to do. The idea is to play increased strengths (a lot of them), then empty your vampire playing Blur and Lightning Reflexes. Assuming an Inner Circle vampire, you'll get 11 additional strikes for a total of 12. Now all 12 of your strikes are Undead Strengths, except one dodge. I can strike 11 times, each time for 3+2*n, where n is the number of Increased Strengths I played. I need one card for dodge, one blur, one lightning reflexes, 11 US. That leaves me with 39 Increased Strengths if I must keep 7 cards, 46 if not. So I think I can do 11*95= 1045 damage in one round. (11*81= 891 if I keep 7 cards in hand) Considering how one more strike would do a lot more damage, maybe add something else to avoid having to dodge on the first strike... I'm not saying this is a max, I'm just saying it's a bit silly to compute. I mean, who's going to soak in all this ? (even using a "max capacity" vampire, which I wanted to do here until you prohibited master cards: Masika can go up to at least 39 capacity and play one BIG Lightning Reflexes...) Philippe

> Compute; anyone who can explain to me why death of my conscience > doesn't help you get more damage gets extra credit. DoMC doesn't give you +HD in and of itself, and every ditched card only gives you +2 HD. So if all of those cards (incl. the DoMC) were Fists of Death or Increased Strengths, you get +2 more hand damage. Other than that, I think Peter's total: 59 Increased Strength + Pushing the Limit + Lazverinus = 59 * 2 + 4 + 2 = 124, is correct. James -- James E. Hamblin je...@cornell.edu "There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. ... Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender." -- G'Kar, Babylon 5: "Z'ha'dum"

On 22 Apr 1997 06:12:31 GMT, duc...@LaBRI.U-Bordeaux.FR (Philippe DUCHON) wrote: >So I think I can do 11*95= 1045 damage in one round. >(11*81= 891 if I keep 7 cards in hand) >Considering how one more strike would do a lot more damage, maybe add >something else to avoid having to dodge on the first strike... > > >I'm not saying this is a max, I'm just saying it's a bit silly to compute. >I mean, who's going to soak in all this ? (even using a "max capacity" vampire, >which I wanted to do here until you prohibited master cards: Masika can go up >to at least 39 capacity and play one BIG Lightning Reflexes...) > > Philippe I'll play superior Skin of Steel, thank you very much.

Ah yes, but what's the max HD one vamp can do in one strike in the first round of combat, without stacking? I figured this out once, here we go: Base stuff: Lazverinus, Thrall of Lambach, base hand damage 3 Cardinal Benediction +0 Gangrel Impersonation, Ritual Challenge +1 Toreador Anti-Tribu Impersonation, Art of Pain +2 Ventrue Impersonation, play Island of Yiaros +0 Depravity +1 Before Range is Determined: Opponent plays Drawing out the Beast +1 Torn Signpost +2 (sets base to 3) Fists of Death +2 Increased Strength +2 Shadow of the Wolf +0 Fire in the Blood +1 After Range is Determined: The Death of my Conscience, burn 4 cards +8 Strikes: Strike with hands. Assume the opposition dodges or prevents. Then, (here's the biggie) Shadow of the Wolf, second strike +1 Pushing the Limit +3 Tap the Island of Yiaros +3 Net Hand Damage: 30 Or we could just go with 29 on that first strike. *shrug* --Judy -- *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Judith Grunberger, Technical Writing Weenie/Intern, McCabe & Associates | | jcoo...@glue.umd.edu * http://www.glue.umd.edu/~jcookson | *-------------------------------------------------------------------------*

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