(report) - Jan 12 tournament, Gothenburg, Sweden

So, waking up last saturday I was expecting a disasterous turnout. Only 7 players had told me that they were going to attend. Yey, another 7 player tourney I thought. Well, I couldn't have been more wrong. When entering the tourney venue with my newly purchased Jalapeño and Mustard sub 11 players welcomed me. It turns out that we got 1 that hadn't pre-registered. 1 who's a returing player and finally 2 completely new players. This game is alive and kicking :D So, I had 3 decks with me. A malk94 voter, a kindred spirits bleeder and finally a reckless agitation FoS deck. I decided to go with the KS deck since it needed some more testing (I was afraid that the porportions were wrong and that it would clog). Well, right I was :'( Round 1 Me (KS) -> Henrik E (BH Pot combat) -> Erik T (Ahrimanes) -> Stefan K (Ravnos toolbox) -> Max W (Weenie Pulse of the Canille bleeder) Well. There's not much to be said about this game. I got my uncontrolled region into play. It got rushed. And I died to Max's bleeds. I did try some dealing. But since henrik is a good player he didn't really want me there even if I "promissed" him not to bleed. Henrik did however suffer to much damage dealing with me that he died to Max after a while. After Max's second oust Erik started to control the game. Max wanted to selfoust to void the GW and I made a bad ruling not allowing him to do so (which can be read about in another thread), I should have allowed him to selfoust and warned him for foolishly telling me that he wanted to do it as an OOG consideration. well, anyways. The rest died in Erik's arms and the game ended with Erik getting 3 and Max 2. Round 2 Me (KS) -> Lars H (!trem block and bleed) -> Sten D (BH KS bleed) -> Erik T (Ahrimanes) I got an exellent start with groomings and calls and by the time my prey got his Malgorzata I had 4 vampires in play. Erik tooled up with some raven spies and Sten was slowely getting Elimilech. I started bleeding, sten started bleeding while Erik and Lars started dying. I got my vp and continued to bleed Sten who bounced alot. I kept the sneak low and allowed Erik to block me which meant Sten had to use his cards to oust Erik, not mine. Sten started getting low on pool when he finally got an ousting bleed past Erik. I decided not to DI to save Erik and he died. The duel was short and brutal. My now 5 (or was it 6) vampires killed Sten quickly thus ending the game wih me getting 3 and Sten getting 1. (Note: Sten lost 4 blood dolls to vessel and wash in this game and 5 in his first game iirc. With 4 blood dolls he would have had a good chance of getting me in the duel). Round 3 11 player tourney, there was no 3rd qual round for me. Finals: 1. Roger C (BH Assamite rush/toolbox) 2. Alex Ek (me) (KS bleed) 3. Erik T (Ahrimanes) 4. Sten D (BH KS bleed) 5. Erik C (Cailean wall) We seated eachother in the following order. Me -> Sten D -> Erik C -> Erik T -> Roger C This game could have gone real bad. I get Korah and she then gets a hand contract and fame. She hits torpor and I'm looking imminent doom in the eye. I try to rescue and bleed and Sten's pool drops fast. Erik C is pretty much doing nothing iirc. Erik T is getting the spies and bleeds Roger (who uses a bunch of combat cards on Erik). This actually means that Roger doesn't have the combat cards he needs to oust me (he needs to fight the occational swallowed by the night and deny). I oust Sten and Erik manages to bleed Roger out. Erik C is soon dead and it's down to me and Erik (anyone surprised?). This is when it happends. I clog! Horribly! Erik doesn't have alot of permacept in play and I'm quite optimistic about the duel. 20 minutes later I'm dead with ZERO successful actions. Not a matter of Erik having insane intercept and a good draw. No, just a matter of bad draw (bad deck) on my part. Finals end with erik getting 3 and me getting 2. I'm off to the drawing board with Erik. Here's Eriks TWDA (brought to you by "FistPig productions" - A fist for the future) Deck Name : The reincarnation of an ornithologist Author : Erik Torstensson Description : Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 7 average: 5.42 ------------------------------------------------------------ 3x Muricia 7 ANI PRE SPI Ahrimane:4 3x Effie Lowery 5 ANI SPI obf Ahrimane:4 1x Batsheva 6 ANI PRE obt pot Guruhi:4 1x Gentha Shale 6 ANI PRE pot spi Ahrimane:4 1x Célèste Lamontagne 5 ANI PRO for !Gangrel:4 1x Fish 5 ANI POT pre Guruhi:4 1x Bobby Lemon 4 ANI pro Gangrel:3 1x Stick 3 ANI !Nosferatu:4 Library [90 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [12] 1x Aranthebes, The Immortal 1x Army of Rats 6x Enchant Kindred 1x Engling Fury 2x Entrancement 1x Muricia's Call Ally [1] 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) Combat [22] 8x Aid from Bats 2x Canine Horde 8x Carrion Crows 4x Taste of Vitae Combat/Action Modifier [6] 6x Swiftness of the Stag Equipment [2] 2x .44 Magnum Event [1] 1x Dragonbound Master [16] 4x Blood Doll 2x Direct Intervention 1x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x KRCG News Radio 2x Pentex(TM) Subversion 1x Powerbase: Montreal 1x Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The 2x Vessel 2x Wash Reaction [25] 4x Cats' Guidance 2x Delaying Tactics 6x Falcon's Eye 4x Forced Awakening 2x On the Qui Vive 7x Speak with Spirits Retainer [5] 5x Raven Spy Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Sun Jan 13 01:39:19 2008] Regards Alex Ek VEKN Prince of Gothenburg, Sweden

[ quoted text not captured ] Hi Alex I recently moved back to Copenhagen and I am looking for some tournaments to go to. In the old days we drove up to Gothenburg a few times for tournaments, and I will try to grab a few guys again. When is your next tournament up there, and how often do you have them? Nikolaj Wendt

"Alex Ek" <a...@student.chalmers.se> wrote in message news:fmsdlp$n1l$1...@gide.ita.chalmers.se... > Round 1 > Me (KS) -> Henrik E (BH Pot combat) -> Erik T (Ahrimanes) -> Stefan K > (Ravnos toolbox) -> Max W (Weenie Pulse of the Canille bleeder) > > Well. There's not much to be said about this game. I got my uncontrolled > region into play. It got rushed. And I died to Max's bleeds. I did try > some dealing. But since henrik is a good player he didn't really want me > there even if I "promissed" him not to bleed. Henrik did however suffer > to much damage dealing with me that he died to Max after a while. After > Max's second oust Erik started to control the game. Max wanted to > selfoust to void the GW and I made a bad ruling not allowing him to do > so (which can be read about in another thread), I should have allowed > him to selfoust and warned him for foolishly telling me that he wanted > to do it as an OOG consideration. well, anyways. Hmm. This is odd. Since you participated in this game, shouldn't a player from another table been judging it? Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: > Hmm. This is odd. Since you participated in this game, shouldn't a > player from another table been judging it? Clearly, he's using the royal "I", meaning "the proper authority". That happens a lot in reports of small tournaments. :-)

LSJ schrieb: [ quoted text not captured ] Bah! The cheating phase never ends! *chuckle*

[ quoted text not captured ] We run them the second Saturday each month unless specifically announced otherwise. Also watch out for Easter as we plan to run our traditional Friday draft and the Saturday EC qualifier. Sten During -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[ quoted text not captured ] 2.9 Multijudge system. Alex was already ousted and did no longer participate in the game (2.4 Spectator Responsibilities explicitly lists an ousted player as a spectator, and a spectator is defined as one who is neither a judge nor playing in a particular game). Being ousted in a multijudge tournament thus has the ousted player revert to spectator or judge status, and 2.9 has calls made in order head judge, second judge, etc. Alex was head judge. [ quoted text not captured ]

niko...@hotmail.com skrev: [ quoted text not captured ] Awww, Nikolaj <3, you're finally back from those wicked french regions. I'm very happy to hear this :) As Sten said. We have tournamnets on the second Saturday of every month. We also host events during the GothCon convention which is during the Easter holiday. These events include a draft and the Swdish ECQ. Info about these events can currently be found on the German, French (vekn), French (SiF), Norwegian and UK forum. I will post info to the NG soon to. The best thing for you to do would be E-mailing me on aek|at|student|dot|chalmers|dot|se. Then I will add your email addy to my list. Which means you will get info about Gothenburg and sometimes other Swedish events. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Sten During" <ya...@netg.se> wrote in message news:47978b6a$0$13845$8826...@free.teranews.com... > Frederick Scott wrote: >> "Alex Ek" <a...@student.chalmers.se> wrote in message >> news:fmsdlp$n1l$1...@gide.ita.chalmers.se... >>> Round 1 >>> Me (KS) -> Henrik E (BH Pot combat) -> Erik T (Ahrimanes) -> Stefan K >>> (Ravnos toolbox) -> Max W (Weenie Pulse of the Canille bleeder) >>> >>> Well. There's not much to be said about this game. I got my uncontrolled >>> region into play. It got rushed. And I died to Max's bleeds. I did try >>> some dealing. But since henrik is a good player he didn't really want me >>> there even if I "promissed" him not to bleed. Henrik did however suffer >>> to much damage dealing with me that he died to Max after a while. After >>> Max's second oust Erik started to control the game. Max wanted to >>> selfoust to void the GW and I made a bad ruling not allowing him to do >>> so (which can be read about in another thread), I should have allowed >>> him to selfoust and warned him for foolishly telling me that he wanted >>> to do it as an OOG consideration. well, anyways. >> >> Hmm. This is odd. Since you participated in this game, shouldn't a >> player from another table been judging it? > > 2.9 Multijudge system. Alex was already ousted and did no longer > participate in the game (2.4 Spectator Responsibilities explicitly > lists an ousted player as a spectator, and a spectator is defined > as one who is neither a judge nor playing in a particular game). > > Being ousted in a multijudge tournament thus has the ousted player > revert to spectator or judge status, and 2.9 has calls made in > order head judge, second judge, etc. Sure. I'm pretty sure that isn't really the spirit of the multi-judge rule but I suppose the way 2.9 reads leaves some room for such an interpretation. The problem is, a game could change its nature midway because someone ousted the head judge so now he's running the show where before a secondary judge was making decisions. If the two disagreed about some ruling, does the ruling now change? Would a player want to oust a head judge in order to get a ruling to change where he knew the two disagreed? After all, it wouldn't even be an "out-of-game" consideration, technically speaking. :-P All of this is real silly, of course. I would prefer to think the issue never EVER came to pass in a real tournament. But if the multi- judge rules were created to cover the situation where a player who had a vested interest in a game was removed from judging the game, I think it pretty much ought to apply to an ousted player as well as to an active player. At least, IMHO... Fred

Frederick Scott skrev: [ quoted text not captured ] I was ousted, thus out of the game, thus I made the ruling. However we did have some consultation and NG googling with this particular ruling. [ quoted text not captured ]

Johannes Walch skrev: [ quoted text not captured ] BAH! Slander!!! Now you owe me attendance at the Swedish ECQ during the Easter holiday! //Alex

[ quoted text not captured ] Heh, well, I didn't say anything about my personal opinion about how the rules work, but in fact I interpret 2.4 and 2.9 in a way that has the way we did it as the ONLY, formally, legal way to handle who should be the judge. Player ousted. Check if player is judge, if true check if judge has precedence over any other legal judge, if true have highest "ranking" legal judge make the ruling. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Sten During" <ya...@netg.se> wrote in message news:4797ba70$0$26108$8826...@free.teranews.com... > Frederick Scott wrote: >> "Sten During" <ya...@netg.se> wrote in message news:47978b6a$0$13845$8826...@free.teranews.com... [ quoted text not captured ] I think you're being overly literal about the term "participate", as in "...except when a decision is needed in a game in which the head judge is participating...". After all, there's nothing in 2.9 says to cross-reference the specator responsibilities rule (2.4) to define "participation". In this case, common sense would seem to dictate that "participation" counts as playing in the game or having _ever_ played in the game for the reasons given above. Thus, I happen to have my own ideas about what is "ONLY formally, legal way to handle who should be the judge" and they seem to differ from yours. Fred

>> Player ousted. Check if player is judge, if true check if judge has >> precedence over any other legal judge, if true have highest "ranking" >> legal judge make the ruling. > > I think you're being overly literal about the term "participate", > as in "...except when a decision is needed in a game in which the head > judge is participating...". After all, there's nothing in 2.9 says to > cross-reference the specator responsibilities rule (2.4) to define > "participation". In this case, common sense would seem to dictate that > "participation" counts as playing in the game or having _ever_ played > in the game for the reasons given above. Thus, I happen to have my > own ideas about what is "ONLY formally, legal way to handle who should > be the judge" and they seem to differ from yours. > > Fred > > Hmm, not that it matters that much in reality (all gods forbid, I fully agree with you there), but we just might benefit from a formal LSJ ruling here :D So, LSJ, does an ousted player immediately revert into being a judge available for all games, including the one where he/she was ousted? Assuming multijudge rules being in use and that the ousted player, of course, is one of the six judges. Sten [ quoted text not captured ]

Sten During wrote: > So, LSJ, does an ousted player immediately revert into being a judge > available for all games, including the one where he/she was ousted? > Assuming multijudge rules being in use and that the ousted player, > of course, is one of the six judges. I'll make sure the 2009 tourney rules are more explicit.