[LSJ] Burning Wrath

So were were talking during lunch about Pot/Obt and the discussion went to Burning Wrath. Rob says it sucks, and the rest of the group looked at him like he was smoking crack. Then he said that it doesn't work in an Immortal Grapple since the card doesn't say 'hand strike'. Being veterans, we all told him that he's wrong, but he insisted the text says so. Upon checking, the Final Nights version of the card does indeed not mention 'hand strike', leading people to believe that it won't work in an Immortal Grapple if they had never played with the Dark Sovereigns version of the card. I checked all errata on the White-Wolf site which seems to verify that Burning Wrath works like it always has, as a hand strike. So are we correct in assuming that the Final Nights version of Burning Wrath is a misprint, or did you errata Burning Wrath under our noses ;-) Ethan Burrow - Prince of Austin saa...@yahoo.com http://whitestar.ddg.com/vtes/

In message <3c4c865c....@news-server.austin.rr.com>, saa...@yahoo.com (Ethan Burrow) mumbled something about: >So were were talking during lunch about Pot/Obt and the discussion >went to Burning Wrath. Rob says it sucks, and the rest of the group I agree with Rob, but mostly because it costs 3 blood. >I checked all errata on the White-Wolf site which seems to verify that >Burning Wrath works like it always has, as a hand strike. "Hand Strike: any non-ranged, non-weapon strike that deals damage based on the striking minion's strength, or any minion's non-ranged damage-dealing innate strike. [LSJ 19970224]" Burning Wrath card text: "[pot] Strike: strength+1 damage, aggravated. [POT] Strike: strength+2 damage, aggravated." Burning Wrath works under IG. =) -- "There's no gray. There's just white that's got grubby." -- T.P.

Ethan Burrow wrote: > I checked all errata on the White-Wolf site which seems to verify that > Burning Wrath works like it always has, as a hand strike. > > So are we correct in assuming that the Final Nights version of Burning > Wrath is a misprint, or did you errata Burning Wrath under our noses > ;-) No misprint. It is a hand strike, as printed (a non-ranged, non-weapon strike that does damage based on the striking minion's strength). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>===== Original Message From saa...@yahoo.com (Ethan Burrow) ===== [snip burning wrath intro] >looked at him like he was smoking crack. Then he said that it doesn't >work in an Immortal Grapple since the card doesn't say 'hand strike'. [snip] >I checked all errata on the White-Wolf site which seems to verify that >Burning Wrath works like it always has, as a hand strike. > >So are we correct in assuming that the Final Nights version of Burning >Wrath is a misprint, or did you errata Burning Wrath under our noses >;-) I think you'll find that it just got it's card text brought back in line with the whole "strength" thing, but is not misprinted. Scorpion Sting also fails to mention anything about being a hand strike. however, luckily the definition of a hand strike, being something about a non-ranged non-weapon strike based on a minion's strength, adequately covers both burning wrath and scorpion sting. so wrath away! salem.

So is it still true only the extra damage on Burning Wrath is aggravated? It seems now it's all aggravated. Does anyone know about a list of things in Jyhad that used to be true, but are not anymore? That would be a lot more useful to me me than than trying to check each aspect or card individually. Thanks Wisefool Mercuriel

Matt wrote: > > So is it still true only the extra damage on Burning Wrath is > aggravated? It seems now it's all aggravated. It's all agg. [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <589ebf00.0201...@posting.google.com>, Matt <mathi...@hotmail.com> writes: >So is it still true only the extra damage on Burning Wrath is >aggravated? It seems now it's all aggravated. It is. >Does anyone know about a list of things in Jyhad that used to be true, >but are not anymore? http://www.thelasombra.com/lists/migration.htm is useful on this regard. -- James Coupe "Never give in to them," she whispered. "No matter what PGP 0x5D623D5D EB they do or how important you feel it is to get their accep- D690ECD7A1FB457CA21 tance. Never kill part of yourself for them. Because other 3D7E668C3695D623D5D people will notice that part is missing before you do."

> http://www.thelasombra.com/lists/migration.htm is useful on this regard. That is usefull, but its pretty easy to deal with the changes result from an explicit change in card text. I was more interested in general changes in the philosophy of the game, or even simple rules changes people might have missed. This probably applies much more to my playing group than most others. 80% of our cards are from old Jyhad boxes, when they became dirt cheap. It might be more accurate to say we've been playing the old edition, and only started changing since Sabbat War, and even then we only made the changes as we noticed them. I came into the game later, and was surprised to learn how many of the rules we played by were house rules, often house rules that became unnecesary as the game grew more sophisticated. Also, like a lot of others, we played the rpg first, and some of the differences really pissed people off. Well anyway, I think we've got things pretty straight now. These days its little things we're doing wrong, or else we at least know we're doing it wrong. Wisefool Mercuriel

The Blood brother Ambush allows you to play pot cards as a 3 cap vampire. Can the play this card for any effect, or do they burn prior to resolving damage? Raille

[ quoted text not captured ] Like any ally, the BBA burns when he loses his last life. [6.1.5] Combat ends when that happens. [6.4.3] If the BBA loses his last life before strike resolution, then the strike doesn't resolve. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > > Raille wrote: > > The Blood brother Ambush allows you to play pot cards as a 3 cap > > vampire. > > > > Can the play this card for any effect, or do they burn prior to > > resolving damage? > > Like any ally, the BBA burns when he loses his last life. [6.1.5] > Combat ends when that happens. [6.4.3] > > If the BBA loses his last life before strike resolution, then the > strike doesn't resolve. > Thats what I was thinking. I had a friend ask me to relay the question to the newsgroup for an answer. Raille