Why Bother with Sabbat War?

I am now at the point of apathy. Why even try to get Sabbat War? It's only more disappointment. Here I've saved up cash over the last 3 months to spend on a case maybe more of the new V:TES expansion and I can't spend my money, I maybe lucky to get two boxes. So why should I even try to spend my cash anymore? I think it's great there's a new expansion, but when my local retailer has to go through loops to get cards, because there's so little product it makes me very sad and doesn't please the retailer either. :-[ So what is the deal? Why didn't White Wolf have enough guts to print more in the first place? Did they even match the printing of the Sabbat in units? Did they not really believe in the product? White Wolf should not pat themselves on the back for this, it's Halloween and I've got no cards! I guess it's time to go drown my sorrows in an adult beverage. So if you were actually lucky enough to get new cards on Halloween, I'm happy for you. As for me it's time to go do some serious freak watching as the Village Halloween Parade is only a few hours away. :-] Believer in conspiracy, Joe C. - V:EKN Prince of Columbia, SC Editor: Tzimisce Clan Newsletter www.warghoul.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Joe C. wrote: > So what is the deal? Why didn't White Wolf have enough guts to print > more in the first place? Financial prudence? There would have been no point White Wolf losing a shit-load of money on V:TES. This tests the water. If a re-print is done, they can correct the texts that they made errors on (e.g. Immortal Grapple, which is missing a word as I recall) and go again. No great problems, since their speccing of this project would clearly have been to make a profit, however small. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with him. I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all begin with him and the way he makes me feel?"

> > No great problems, since their speccing of this project would clearly have > been to make a profit, however small. After all this, I think that that perhaps happened... > -- > James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D > "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with him. > I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all begin > with him and the way he makes me feel?" > > -- "The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution." [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.001031...@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>, James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Joe C. wrote: > > Financial prudence? I'm sure, but it was also a major under-estimate of demand. This is the point that peeves me the most, the fact I can't walk into a store on Halloween and purchase as many Sabbat War cards as my cash flow allows. > There would have been no point White Wolf losing a shit-load of money > on V:TES. I don't want WW to lose their shirts, but I'd also like to be able to purchase cards on a release date. Not only was it two wasted trips to the game store today, it's also a major disappointment. It's like opening empty Christmas gifts. > This tests the water. And there appears to be plenty of sharks. > If a re-print is done, they can correct the texts that they made > errors on (e.g. Immortal Grapple, which is missing a word as I > recall) and go again. So now I've got to wait until 2001 to even see product on the shelf. It's hard was hard enough waiting until Oct 31. > No great problems, since their speccing of this project would clearly > have been to make a profit, however small. And their speccing also caused them to loose a larger profit. So how are they actually going to get retailer feedback, if the retailers have nothing to sell? Joe C. -- [ quoted text not captured ]

"Joe C." <tzimi...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8tnim5$jjj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > I am now at the point of apathy. Why even try to get Sabbat War? It's > only more disappointment. Here I've saved up cash over the last 3 > months to spend on a case maybe more of the new V:TES expansion and I > can't spend my money, I maybe lucky to get two boxes. So why should I > even try to spend my cash anymore? I think it's great there's a new > expansion, but when my local retailer has to go through loops to get > cards, because there's so little product it makes me very sad and > doesn't please the retailer either. :-[ > > So what is the deal? Why didn't White Wolf have enough guts to print > more in the first place? Did they even match the printing of the Sabbat > in units? Did they not really believe in the product? White Wolf should > not pat themselves on the back for this, it's Halloween and I've got no > cards! I guess it's time to go drown my sorrows in an adult beverage. I'm gonna be short on cards as well but I'm not bitter. (Drink one for me though, Joe.) Steve Wieck had said that WW needed us to get new players into the game for them to make a little bit of money. That means he believed in the game enough to think the hardcore players would buy their cards and that the game is of a superior quality and would be able to attract enough new players to make some money. The hardcore base of players just purchased more than anyone could have predicted. -Robert Robert Goudie Chairman, V:EKN rob...@vtesinla.org

In article <I_JL5.5398$rl.4...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Robert Goudie" <rrgo...@earthlink.net> wrote: > "Joe C." <tzimi...@my-deja.com> wrote in message > news:8tnim5$jjj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > I'm gonna be short on cards as well but I'm not bitter. I'm not bitter per se, but I do have a bitter taste in my mouth, as I don't have the new cards, my main feeling tongiht is total disappointment. > Steve Wieck had said that WW needed us to get > new players into the game for them to make a little bit of money. I'd like to make WW some money, but I can't. Here I was all set to sort and file tonight, now I'm reduced to sitting, drinking and watching freaks on TV. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > Immortal Grapple, which is missing a word as I recall Immortal Grapple is complete and correct, as far as I can tell. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

"Joe C." wrote: > I am now at the point of apathy. Why even try to get Sabbat War? It's > only more disappointment. Here I've saved up cash over the last 3 > months to spend on a case maybe more of the new V:TES expansion and I > can't spend my money, I maybe lucky to get two boxes. So why should I > even try to spend my cash anymore? I think it's great there's a new > expansion, but when my local retailer has to go through loops to get > cards, because there's so little product it makes me very sad and > doesn't please the retailer either. :-[ > > So what is the deal? Why didn't White Wolf have enough guts to print > more in the first place? I have to say, such disappointment and bitterness would be appealing if I failed to get as much of it as I wanted, too. But whatever you do, try not to think up reasons for blaming White Wolf. I've never been in the business myself, but to me predicting this stuff seems to be utterly impossible. They have to pull a number out of basically thin air way ahead of time. They guess too much, they lose their shorts. They guess too little,...well...you get what we have now. This part of it sounds pretty thankless to me. Just be glad they took the risk at all. Fred

I'm pretty miffed, myself, though I don't know who to blame . . . we didn't get any cards today, either (Boulder, Colorado). We all put in our orders ahead of time for many boxes, but apparently the distributor says they didn't get them in time themselves -- though they might show up later in the week. Hopefully I'll be able to have them to sort through by election night. Neil Paananen paan...@ix.netcom.com [ quoted text not captured ]

>>try not to think up reasons for blaming White Wolf. << No, I don't. I don't think anyone can second-guess the print run. I am nevertheless disappointed. Who'd have thought it? And it's ironic that the fast sell-out of SW will benefit the game mightily, but it's a bummer right now! :( Madman [ quoted text not captured ]

"Joe C." <tzimi...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8tnim5$jjj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > I am now at the point of apathy. Why even try to get Sabbat War? [snip Joe C. being apathetic] http://www.potomacdist.com/list.asp?Class=game $63 per booster box. Buy as much as you can, I guess. > Joe C. > - > V:EKN Prince of Columbia, SC > Editor: Tzimisce Clan Newsletter > www.warghoul.com Kevin J. Mergen, kjme...@home.com, Prince of Madison, WI "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War" "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

In article <I_JL5.5398$rl.4...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Robert Goudie" <rrgo...@earthlink.net> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Ehm, yeah right. There haven't been new cards in 4 years, there are more VTES players than ever, VTES is blooming, and they did NOT predict the fact that old and new players would purchase this much?? Come on. Tim -- PROPHECY OF GEHENNA: On The First Day Of Gehenna The Shrieking Wind Shall Be Silent And When A Black Sun Hangs From A Somber Sky Caine's Sleeping Children Shall Once Again Arise [ quoted text not captured ]

> Ehm, yeah right. There haven't been new cards in 4 years, there are more > VTES players than ever, VTES is blooming, and they did NOT predict the > fact that old and new players would purchase this much?? Come on. > > Tim It's always easy to be wise after the event. I think everybody *hopes* for VTES' success, but nobody could really know. If they did, they'd not been unsure of whether they'd make Final Nights or not. There's also different grades of "success" as well, even if they expected success it doesn't mean they knew HOW successful SW would be. Anyway, isn't it possible for you to order SW from WW or from Potomac or something? No store sells SW in the city where I live, I just pre.ordered it from a big store in Gothenburg (pretty much other side of the country). I haven't gotten my cards yet but I should within a week. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Lord Darksword wrote: > > > > > > No great problems, since their speccing of this project would clearly > have > > been to make a profit, however small. > > After all this, I think that that perhaps happened... I would not expect that a company with the success record of White Wolf would do anything other than spec a project to make a profit. They might not make a Big Profit (tm) but, as I've said before, that's not the only thing that matters, clearly, to White Wolf. If Big Profits mattered, V:TES wouldn't be the top of my priorities. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Joe C. wrote: > > No great problems, since their speccing of this project would clearly > > have been to make a profit, however small. > > And their speccing also caused them to loose a larger profit. So how > are they actually going to get retailer feedback, if the retailers have > nothing to sell? Retailers put in an order at Esdevium (or whoever their distributor might be, Esdevium are a large and useful such distributor in the UK and Europe). Esdevium say "Sorry, sold out" (if, indeed, they have). Esdevium write to White Wolf and say "Hey, we've just had orders for another 1000 boxes - you got any more?" And either White Wolf do, or they get the feedback that more boxes are wanted. The actual printing of the cards, by all accounts, didn't take that long at all, either. The rumour mill suggested that play-testing went on until rather late. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, LSJ wrote: > James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > Immortal Grapple, which is missing a word as I recall > > Immortal Grapple is complete and correct, as far as I can tell. Whilst my cards are currently about a half-hour's walk away, here and back, there appears to be a small grammatical error involving the use of the word "be" as I recall. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Tim Eijpe wrote: > Ehm, yeah right. There haven't been new cards in 4 years, there are more > VTES players than ever, VTES is blooming, and they did NOT predict the > fact that old and new players would purchase this much?? Come on. How, exactly, do White Wolf know this sort of thing? It seems unlikely that Wizards would give them confidential information. And how, when you can't buy cards for love or money in many areas (prior to SW), you would judge the number of players, and new players, is interesting. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe wrote: > LSJ wrote: > > James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Immortal Grapple, which is missing a word as I recall > > Immortal Grapple is complete and correct, as far as I can tell. > > Whilst my cards are currently about a half-hour's walk away, here and > back, there appears to be a small grammatical error involving the use of > the word "be" as I recall. Ah, yes. A "be" is missing. Thanks for the catch. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Ah, yes. A "be" is missing. Thanks for the catch. There's also an "a" missing from the word "damage" on Pulled Fangs. Not a big deal. Most people prolly won't catch it. Regards, Noal -- "I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species, of pure sons of bitches." --Faulkner, "The Mansion" [ quoted text not captured ]

Noal McDonald wrote: > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Ah, yes. A "be" is missing. Thanks for the catch. > > There's also an "a" missing from the word "damage" on Pulled Fangs. Not > a big deal. Most people prolly won't catch it. Hmm. I believe there's a '1' before the word 'damage' (on the preceding line), obviating the need for an 'a'. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:28:55 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Noal McDonald wrote: >> >> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> > Ah, yes. A "be" is missing. Thanks for the catch. >> >> There's also an "a" missing from the word "damage" on Pulled Fangs. Not >> a big deal. Most people prolly won't catch it. > >Hmm. I believe there's a '1' before the word 'damage' >(on the preceding line), obviating the need for an 'a'. No. The word 'Damage' on PF reads "Damge". :) -- Derek "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - C. Darwin, 1871

madma...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8to5su$2vu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > > >>try not to think up reasons for blaming White Wolf. << > No, I don't. I don't think anyone can second-guess the print run. I > am nevertheless disappointed. > > Who'd have thought it? > > And it's ironic that the fast sell-out of SW will benefit the game > mightily, but it's a bummer right now! :( I don't believe the fast sell-out benefits the game much at all. Maybe a little in that retailers won't fear stocking it in the future. However, I think the sell-out hurts them because: 1. It costs WW a lot more to get the presses running a second time than it would've to just print more in the first place. 2. Some bad feelings among the loyal fans (We've seen what that can do to this game!) 3. No cards to give away as prize support (they printed enough (or so they thought) to leave themselves some supply for prize support.) 4. No draw for new players. (It does little good to have pre-con starters, playmats, and demos if there is no product to buy once the new players become interested) -- Robert [ quoted text not captured ]

Robert Goudie wrote: > > madma...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8to5su$2vu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > > >>try not to think up reasons for blaming White Wolf. << > > No, I don't. I don't think anyone can second-guess the print run. I > > am nevertheless disappointed. > > > > Who'd have thought it? > > > > And it's ironic that the fast sell-out of SW will benefit the game > > mightily, but it's a bummer right now! :( > > I don't believe the fast sell-out benefits the game much at all. Maybe a > little in that retailers won't fear stocking it in the future. I disagree. It may not benefit the game for the reasons we were hoping it would, I'll grant. (As you say, prize support, draw for new players, and I'll add: to increase variety and availability of stock for sealed deck.) But if nothing else, a great deal of the demand for Sabbat cards, particularly Sabbat rare cards and in-demand uncommons like Decapitate and Immortal Grapple, will be sated. The ability of more players to make decks less constrained by supply is only good for the game, IMHO. On balance, the game is much better off for the existence of Sabbat Wars; even if they never do a second printing. Fred

> From: Joe C. <tzimi...@my-deja.com> > > I'm not bitter per se, but I do have a bitter taste in my mouth, as I > don't have the new cards, my main feeling tongiht is total > disappointment. Joe and others in similar straits, my sincere regrets. We did put a serious amount of capital at risk in re-launching V:TES, and we were conservative in our opening print run given the game's 4 yr hiatus. I certainly did not expect to have even the dedicated, veteran fans be hard pressed to find cards. While it's great news that everything is selling out, it's also been frustrating fielding distributor, retailer, and player complaints about lack of availablity while being powerless to change it. A second print run does look highly probable, but it will be a bit of a wait. Steve

In article <B625E545.37F2%steve...@white-wolf.com>, Steve Wieck <steve...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > From: Joe C. <tzimi...@my-deja.com> > > > > > I'm not bitter per se, but I do have a bitter taste in my mouth, > > as I don't have the new cards, my main feeling tonight is total > > disappointment. > > Joe and others in similar straits, my sincere regrets. No need to get mushy :-) > We did put a serious amount of capital at risk in re-launching V:TES, > and we were conservative in our opening print run given the game's 4 > yr hiatus. Conservative maybe putting it mildly. =) It's still likely to appear to prospective new players that V:TES is still on hiatus, as the product will be in stores for but a few weeks at best. I'll still do my best to bring in new players, but it looks like I'll be handing out more Jyhad backs than V:TES backs for a long time to come. > I certainly did not expect to have even the dedicated, > veteran fans be hard pressed to find cards. I guess the thing that probably bugged me most last night is that if I hadn't tried to go through my local retailer I would've most likely had the cards sooner. But per earlier statements by you Steve you had asked/pushed us (the V:TES community) to try and purchase from the retailers instead of ordering from larger internet suppliers. So I resisted the temptation of cheap boxes and placed my order through my local gaming store. What a folly that has been. On the bright side though, we'll hopefully have cards in Columbia on Thursday. So I've got something to look forward to on Thursday night besides Atomic Wings and cheap bud light. > While it's great news that everything is selling out, it's also been > frustrating fielding distributor, retailer, and player complaints > about lack of availablity... One reason the rant went to the newsgroup instead of your email box personally :-) Steve I still want to say thanks for bringing the game back, even if I/others found the Grinch instead of Sabbat War on Halloween. And thanks again for having ablative skin, Regards, Joe [ quoted text not captured ]

Why? because the cards, having been printed once, can be printed again. And it's too early yet to be disgruntled about supply, etc...I figure most of it is in the channel (marketing, not The English) somewhere.

In article <3a007ec7....@news.atl.mediaone.net>, [ quoted text not captured ] It's still wasn't in the shop on said release date because the shop's main distributors had nothing left. That resulted in the said shop having to result to finding a secondary market distributor to fill the case worth of orders, it also meant the store couldn't make any actual sales on the said release date. Maybe the stock is in the "English Channel" who knows? But one thing is for certain, it wasn't at my retailer on Halloween. So Mike, how am I supposed to feel? Granted the original tone may have been a little acidic, but the point remains there was no stock at my local shop. Regards, Joe C. [ quoted text not captured ]

[snip] > figure most of it is in the channel (marketing, not The English) > somewhere. You mean the French Channel, right? ;) Mathieu (sorry, couldn't resist)

On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:42:54 GMT, Joe C. <tzimi...@my-deja.com> wrote: <snip> >Maybe the stock is in the "English Channel" who knows? But one thing is >for certain, it wasn't at my retailer on Halloween. So Mike, how am I >supposed to feel? Granted the original tone may have been a little >acidic, but the point remains there was no stock at my local shop. I would suggest felling patient. Actually, that goes for everybody who's been gnashing teeth that their orders didn't fill on 10/31. I've got two (or four, if I can find my credit card again) boxes on pre-order. They weren't in the Atlanta shops yesterday, and may not be today. I don't care if I don't see them for another week or a month or a quarter, as long as the order is filled. I just don't see the point in getting ticked off because someone else got cards sooner than I did. If the shop says "Sorry, we won't have any, ever, and your order is cancelled," then I would be disgruntled, and/or order direct from W.W. The facts that a) new cards exist, and b) the original print run may not have met original demand, tell me that either the current stock will emerge, and filter around to meet demand, or there will be another print-and-distribute cycle.

Actually, I'm more worried about sealed booster tournaments. Those may be problematic.

In article <3a00a687....@news.atl.mediaone.net>, mike_p@a_van_a.net wrote: > On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:42:54 GMT, Joe C. <tzimi...@my-deja.com> > wrote: > [snip] > I just don't see the point in getting ticked off because someone else > got cards sooner than I did. You're missing the point, I'm not ticked as much as I am disappointed with the lack of product that is actually going to be in the stores. > and/or order direct from W.W. Not an option as W.W. has nothing. > The facts that a) new cards exist, This is still a good thing (tm). > b) the original print run may not have met original demand, tell me > that either the current stock will emerge, and filter around to meet > demand, or there will be another print-and-distribute cycle. Basically the next print run and distribution according to W.W. puts it out in stores sometime around early winter 2001. Great so any new players between Nov-on will have nothing to buy, is this a good thing? For me No. Is it something that a promoter of the game has a hard time with? For me Yes. Will I give up and stop running tourneys, demos, etc. to promote the game? For me No. [ quoted text not captured ]

Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >Noal McDonald wrote: > >> There's also an "a" missing from the word "damage" on Pulled Fangs. Not > >> a big deal. Most people prolly won't catch it. > > > >Hmm. I believe there's a '1' before the word 'damage' > >(on the preceding line), obviating the need for an 'a'. > > No. The word 'Damage' on PF reads "Damge". :) It reads correctly on the card I'm looking at. Which instance of "damage" is not correct on your card? -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:04:43 GMT, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> >Noal McDonald wrote: >> >> There's also an "a" missing from the word "damage" on Pulled Fangs. >Not >> >> a big deal. Most people prolly won't catch it. >> > >> >Hmm. I believe there's a '1' before the word 'damage' >> >(on the preceding line), obviating the need for an 'a'. >> >> No. The word 'Damage' on PF reads "Damge". :) > >It reads correctly on the card I'm looking at. > >Which instance of "damage" is not correct on your card? (puzzle) That's odd. Mine is right. OK, let me rephrase that one: there is a card somewhere in the set, which I THOUGHT was Pulled Fangs, that has a word spelled "damge". I noticed it at the pre-release and pointed it out to Jose, who confirmed it - so I know I'm not TOTALLY brain damaged on this one. In fact, I could swear that Norm played it on him from his Brujah Anti starter while beating up one of Jose's vampires - so Norm, what does YOUR copy of PF say? =) -- Derek Jack-Booted Thug of Atlanta [ quoted text not captured ]

That's actually Taste of Vitae that's spelled "damge." (from the !bru starter)

On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 05:14:37 GMT, mike_p@a_van_a.net wrote: >That's actually Taste of Vitae that's spelled "damge." (from the !bru >starter) What Mike said. Thank you :) -- Derek Jack-Booted Thug of Atlanta "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - C. Darwin, 1871

In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.001101...@yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk>, James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Tim Eijpe wrote: > > Ehm, yeah right. There haven't been new cards in 4 years, there are more > > VTES players than ever, VTES is blooming, and they did NOT predict the > > fact that old and new players would purchase this much?? Come on. > > How, exactly, do White Wolf know this sort of thing? > > It seems unlikely that Wizards would give them confidential > information. And how, when you can't buy cards for love or money in many > areas (prior to SW), you would judge the number of players, and new > players, is interesting. Got me there.. I guess that is where this newsgroup and the Princes come in. They can make an estimate on how many players there are in any given region, who are new and so on. Though this is all hearsay, the way that VTES has been promoted and kept alive (and possibly blooming) over the last couple of yearts should account for something. Furthermore, don't get me wrong, I totally understand the reasons behind the lower than wanted availlability of SW. I did not really expect anything else. But, the problem I have now is the fact that right now the older veteran players are getting cards and the new players who might not have wanted to buy cases, but a couple of boosters are out of luck. Sure I'll get my cards, but what about the guy who started VTES only a month ago? One of the reasons of making SW AFAIK, was to get new players interested. How are they going to be interested when they can't buy any cards. Tim Eijpe > -- > James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D > "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with him. > I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all begin > with him and the way he makes me feel?" > > -- [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8trota$v3j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Tim Eijpe <t_e...@my-deja.com> wrote: > But, the problem I have now is the fact that right now the older veteran > players are getting cards and the new players who might not have wanted > to buy cases, but a couple of boosters are out of luck. And not all the veteran will get cards. In the Quebec region, just some players will have cards at all ! >Sure I'll get my > cards, but what about the guy who started VTES only a month ago? One of > the reasons of making SW AFAIK, was to get new players interested. How > are they going to be interested when they can't buy any cards. Yes and those players must have cards very fast, because they will possibly go to another CCG if they can not buy cards. Me, i can wait, because after waiting for years, some month are nothing, but the new players must have cards very soon to stay with us. -- Khaleph Alendis, High Priest of Maizerets VEKN Setite Prince of Beauport http://www.oricom.ca/melkor/khaleph/ [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, LSJ wrote: > > No. The word 'Damage' on PF reads "Damge". :) > > It reads correctly on the card I'm looking at. > > Which instance of "damage" is not correct on your card? I recall seeing this one myself, though I don't own the card. (It was when we were all opening boosters and cooing over new cards and reprints etc., and someone was wondering if it had been errata-ed away from agg damage properly.) [ quoted text not captured ]

>> That's actually Taste of Vitae that's spelled "damge." >> (from the !bru starter) > > What Mike said. Thank you :) That's what I get for posting when I'm at work and don't have the cards in front of me. I'll have to check again. Could have sworn it was on Pulled Fangs. Regards, Noal -- "I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species, of pure sons of bitches." --Faulkner, "The Mansion" [ quoted text not captured ]

> > Got me there.. > I guess that is where this newsgroup and the Princes come in. They can > make an estimate on how many players there are in any given region, who > are new and so on. Though this is all hearsay, the way that VTES has > been promoted and kept alive (and possibly blooming) over the last > couple of yearts should account for something. Furthermore, don't get me > wrong, I totally understand the reasons behind the lower than wanted > availlability of SW. I did not really expect anything else. > But, the problem I have now is the fact that right now the older veteran > players are getting cards and the new players who might not have wanted > to buy cases, but a couple of boosters are out of luck. Sure I'll get my > cards, but what about the guy who started VTES only a month ago? One of > the reasons of making SW AFAIK, was to get new players interested. How > are they going to be interested when they can't buy any cards. As far as I can see, there is really no way to tell this sort of thing! It is like Politics; for every 1 voice there are dozens silent. And how can you estimate that? And too, how many people will see Sabbat War as a NEW game and want it, simply because they try anything new? Take a count of all the Princes and all the Listed players, add 20 for each one, and you STILL will be short! LD > > Tim Eijpe > > -- > > James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D > > "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with > him. > > I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all > begin > > with him and the way he makes me feel?" > > > > > > -- > PROPHECY OF GEHENNA: > On The First Day Of Gehenna > The Shrieking Wind Shall Be Silent > And When A Black Sun Hangs From A Somber Sky > Caine's Sleeping Children Shall Once Again Arise > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > -- "The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution." [ quoted text not captured ]