rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Some questions

7 messages from 5 participants · 05 October 2000 – 13 October 2000
original thread on Google Groups

Merrill

1. Voter Captivation I have a VampA with 3 blood and a capacity of 8 with superior Presence. After a successful vote(wich i won 10 to 2) i play VoterCaptivation at superior. Did VampA get full capacity and i get 2 pool or does VampA only gets 6blood because 2 blood goes to pool? 2. The 5th Tradition: Hospitality Must the acting vampire be a prince or justicar or is it enough when i control a ready prince or justicar but the acting vampire has no title. 3. Toreador Grand Ball Is Toreador Grand Ball burned if the 'second Toreador' isnt ready(or controlled) any longer? 4. Giants blood A Giants blood is already played. Can i play another Giants blood with no effect so i dont need to discard it at the end of my turn? 5a. Alexandra (IC of Toreadors) Can i untap an acting Toreador during the Action with Alexandras special ability? Example: I called the vote Domain Challange (noone blocked the action) and dont want to pay pool for the acting toreador if the vote succeeds. 5b. Alexandra (IC of Toreadors) Can i use the special ability of Alexandra if she is only controlled(in Torpor)? 6. Eagle Sight vs Toreador Grand Ball Is it possible to block a non bleeding action of the 'first Toreador' with superior Eagle Sight? 7. Contesting Is it possible that i contest any unique cards or vampires with myself? If so, how is the contesting and yielding resolved? thx Merrill

Xian

"Merrill" <Mer...@teleweb.at> wrote in message news:Dn7D5.94757$zJ5.4...@news.chello.at... > 1. Voter Captivation > I have a VampA with 3 blood and a capacity of 8 with superior Presence. > After a successful vote(wich i won 10 to 2) i play VoterCaptivation at > superior. > Did VampA get full capacity and i get 2 pool or does VampA only gets 6blood > because 2 blood goes to pool? The former. The vampire is full and you receive 2 pool. > 2. The 5th Tradition: Hospitality > Must the acting vampire be a prince or justicar or is it enough when i > control a ready prince or justicar but the acting vampire has no title. The action card itself requires a ready Prince or Justicar. I can see how this might be interpreted as simply needing one in play, but I believe that since it doesn't say something along the lines of "you must have a ready Prince or Justicar in play..." yes, the action must be performed with a Prince or Justicar. I'm sure someone else will give better reasoning for this... > 3. Toreador Grand Ball > Is Toreador Grand Ball burned if the 'second Toreador' isnt ready(or > controlled) any longer? Wow. I never thought about that. Though I always figured it'd be easier to just burn the Grand Ball. Anyway, I'm guessing that the Grand Ball is not burnt. > 4. Giants blood > A Giants blood is already played. > Can i play another Giants blood with no effect so i dont need to discard it > at the end of my turn? Doubt it. > 5a. Alexandra (IC of Toreadors) > Can i untap an acting Toreador during the Action with Alexandras special > ability? > Example: I called the vote Domain Challange (noone blocked the action) and > dont want to pay pool for the acting toreador if the vote succeeds. Hmm. Probably. Wow, I'm sucking at these a lot more than I expected. > 5b. Alexandra (IC of Toreadors) > Can i use the special ability of Alexandra if she is only controlled(in > Torpor)? No clue. I would personally think it was kinda lame, but I wouldn't argue about it too much. Though I suspect that you can't. > 6. Eagle Sight vs Toreador Grand Ball > Is it possible to block a non bleeding action of the 'first Toreador' with > superior Eagle Sight? No, unblockable means exactly that...unblockable. > 7. Contesting > Is it possible that i contest any unique cards or vampires with myself? > If so, how is the contesting and yielding resolved? Yes. The shortest timeframe it can be resolved in is 3 turns. Turn 1: play the contesting card (master card/vampire/whatever) Turn 2: pay the contestation cost for 1, and relent on the other. Turn 3: you gain control of the card you paid for last turn. You could of course pay for both of them on turn two, and drag it out as long as you like. It'd be interesting to see a case where that was the best solution, though. Xian, who was much less help than he expected...

The Lasombra

In article <jq8D5.18052$wJ4.2...@news.uswest.net>, "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote: > > "Merrill" <Mer...@teleweb.at> wrote in message > news:Dn7D5.94757$zJ5.4...@news.chello.at... > > 1. Voter Captivation > > I have a VampA with 3 blood and a capacity of 8 with superior > > Presence. After a successful vote(wich i won 10 to 2) i play > > Voter Captivation at superior. > > Did VampA get full capacity and i get 2 pool or does VampA > > only gets 6blood because 2 blood goes to pool? > Xian said: > The former. The vampire is full and you receive 2 pool. Hmmm. Advanced math for sys admins vol 1. 3 + anything more than 5 > 8 The vampire can get 6 blood and 2 goes to the pool and the vampire is full, or, you gain 2 pool from the voter cap and the other 6 goes to the vampire, with all blood in excess of capacity draining off. Full is full. > > 2. The 5th Tradition: Hospitality > > Must the acting vampire be a prince or justicar or is it enough > > when i control a ready prince or justicar but the acting vampire > > has no title. > Xian said: > The action card itself requires a ready Prince or Justicar. And he was right. The acting vampire must be a Prince or Justicar to play a card that says "Requires ready Prince or Justicar." Card text, nothing more. > > 3. Toreador Grand Ball > > Is Toreador Grand Ball burned if the 'second Toreador' isnt ready(or > > controlled) any longer? No. The only way to remove a TGB is to take the action listed on the card. The 2nd Toreador can be burned, banished, Golconda'd, give away via Succubus Club, or otherwise removed from the game, and it will have no effect on the TGB or on the 1st Toreador. > Xian said: > Wow. I never thought about that. Though I always figured it'd be > easier to just burn the Grand Ball. Anyway, I'm guessing that the > Grand Ball is not burnt. And he guessed right. > > 4. Giants blood > > A Giants blood is already played. > > Can i play another Giants blood with no effect so i dont > > need to discard it at the end of my turn? > Xian said: > Doubt it. And the answer is No. Card text: "Giant's Blood (Jyhad, V:TES) Master Master. Restore a vampire to full capacity with blood from the blood bank. Only one Giant's Blood can be played in a game." Note the part there at the end, Only One can be played in a game. You may not play it to no effect, because the VTES text was revised / corrected when it was printed. > > 5a. Alexandra (IC of Toreadors) > > Can i untap an acting Toreador during the Action with Alexandras > > special ability? Yes. > > Example: I called the vote Domain Challange (no one blocked the > > action) and dont want to pay pool for the acting toreador if the > > vote succeeds. > Xian said: > Hmm. Probably. Wow, I'm sucking at these a lot more than I expected. Your instincts haven't been bad so far. Yes, you can use Alexandra's ability during an action, during a referendum, or at any time during your turn that she is ready. See Tom Wylie's ruling quoted here: "Alexandra Can use her untap ability at any point during the minion phase, including during a political action. [TOM 19960214]" > > 5b. Alexandra (IC of Toreadors) > > Can i use the special ability of Alexandra if she is only > > controlled(in Torpor)? Yes. Her card text does not require her to be ready (not in torpor) to use her ability. As long as you control Alexandra during your turn, you may use her ability once. > Xian said: > No clue. I would personally think it was kinda lame, but I > wouldn't argue about it too much. Though I suspect that you can't. > > 6. Eagle Sight vs Toreador Grand Ball > > Is it possible to block a non bleeding action of the 'first > > Toreador' with superior Eagle Sight? > Xian said: > No, unblockable means exactly that...unblockable. And he was right. > > 7. Contesting > > Is it possible that i contest any unique cards or vampires > > with myself? > > If so, how is the contesting and yielding resolved? Xian replied with the following and he was correct. > > Yes. The shortest timeframe it can be resolved in is 3 turns. > > Turn 1: play the contesting card (master card/vampire/whatever) > Turn 2: pay the contestation cost for 1, and relent on the other. > Turn 3: you gain control of the card you paid for last turn. > > You could of course pay for both of them on turn two, and drag > it out as long as you like. It'd be interesting to see a case > where that was the best solution, though. Feel free to research questions here: http://www.white-wolf.com/VTES/ at any time. :> Carpe Noctem. Lasombra http://members.tripod.com/~Lasombra Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Merrill

thx for the answers Merrill "The Lasombra" <TheLa...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:8rji2j$cq3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

Eric Pettersen

The Lasombra <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote: > In article <jq8D5.18052$wJ4.2...@news.uswest.net>, > "Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote: > > > > "Merrill" <Mer...@teleweb.at> wrote in message > > news:Dn7D5.94757$zJ5.4...@news.chello.at... > > > 4. Giants blood > > > A Giants blood is already played. > > > Can i play another Giants blood with no effect so i dont > > > need to discard it at the end of my turn? > > > Xian said: > > Doubt it. > > And the answer is No. > Card text: > > "Giant's Blood (Jyhad, V:TES) > Master > Master. Restore a vampire to full capacity with blood from > the blood bank. Only one Giant's Blood can be played in a game." > > Note the part there at the end, Only One can be played in a > game. You may not play it to no effect, because the VTES text > was revised / corrected when it was printed. This brings up another topic. It would be very helpful if the online rulings mentioned the cases where the VTES card text significantly changes the corresponding Jyhad card. This would make the rulings page much more helpful in tournament situations. There is no entry for 'Giant's Blood' in the current online rulings, so if you had printed them out you might assume that the Jyhad card text was correct: " If this is the first time Giant's Blood is being played in the game, restore a vampire to full capacity from the blood bank. If it is not the first time, then Giant's Blood is burned with no effect. In a similar vein, some newsgroup rulings should probably make their way into the online rulings. In particular, whether a "cancelled" political action counts for purposes of NRA and playing the PA card (e.g. Ancient Influence, Political Stranglehold). In my last tourney, it was ruled that the cancelled PA card didn't count as played, though if memory serves I think it was ruled the other way in the newsgroup. --- Eric Pettersen pett "at" cgl "dot" ucsf "dot" edu (NeXTmail capable)

LSJ

Eric Pettersen wrote: [... 27 lines snipped ...] > This brings up another topic. It would be very helpful if the online > rulings mentioned the cases where the VTES card text significantly changes > the corresponding Jyhad card. This would make the rulings page much more > helpful in tournament situations. There is no entry for 'Giant's Blood' > in the current online rulings, so if you had printed them out you might > assume that the Jyhad card text was correct: > > " If this is the first time Giant's Blood is being played in the game, > restore a vampire to full capacity from the blood bank. If it is not > the first time, then Giant's Blood is burned with no effect. In addition to the rulings and errata and tournament rules, every card's most recent card text is available online as well. > In a similar vein, some newsgroup rulings should probably make their way > into the online rulings. In particular, whether a "cancelled" political > action counts for purposes of NRA and playing the PA card (e.g. Ancient > Influence, Political Stranglehold). In my last tourney, it was ruled that > the cancelled PA card didn't count as played, though if memory serves I > think it was ruled the other way in the newsgroup. Hmm. RTR 30-JUN-97 included that ruling for NRA. I'm fairly sure it used to be in the compiled list as well, although it's not there now (as you've obviously found). I'll see that it finds its way back into the list. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Eric Pettersen

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Eric Pettersen wrote: > > This brings up another topic. It would be very helpful if the online > > rulings mentioned the cases where the VTES card text significantly > > changes the corresponding Jyhad card. This would make the rulings > > page much more helpful in tournament situations. There is no entry > > for 'Giant's Blood' in the current online rulings, so if you had > > printed them out you might assume that the Jyhad card text was correct: > > > > " If this is the first time Giant's Blood is being played in the > > game, restore a vampire to full capacity from the blood bank. If > > it is not the first time, then Giant's Blood is burned with no > > effect. > > In addition to the rulings and errata and tournament rules, > every card's most recent card text is available online as well. Well, yes. I guess I should preface my remarks by noting that the current organization of the rulings is a quantum-leap improvement over the previous organization into three categories -- errata, rulings, and clarifications -- that was a distinction that had no practical significance to most VTES players and that necessitated looking in three separate places to resolve card disputes. The current organization uses color-coding to maintain the category distinction, but organizes all relevant information on a card in one place. I guess I'm asking for a yet-further enhancement. Cards whose Jyhad and VTES text differ significantly would at least be noted in the online rulings and ideally the current relevant text would actually be quoted (instead of requiring the voluminous entirety of the VTES card set be printed out). I understand this is probably a non-negligable amount of work. Perhaps at least a separate printable list of the card texts of only those VTES cards that significantly changed from Jyhad could be made? To save trees and weight in our backpacks? [ quoted text not captured ]