Timing Qs [LSJ]

1. Is it correct to say that the acting minion's Methuselah controls the timing of Darkness Within's blood moving effect? Darkness Within Combat 1 blood [obt] Put this card into play before range is determined. Once each round, during strike resolution, move 1 blood (or life) from the opposing minion to this card (even at long range). Burn this card when combat ends. This vampire gains half of the blood (rounded up) from this card when it is burned. A minion can play only one Darkness Within each combat. [OBT] As above, with an optional maneuver. 2. When attempting to block an action directed at burning the Madness Network, Malkavians may attempt to block "in addition to the normally eligible blockers". Does this ruling indicate that Malkavians wanting to attempt to block the action must wait until all other eligible minions choose not to block, i.e. they get to attempt to block LAST? Madness Network Put this card in play. After another Methuselah has finished all of his or her minion phase actions, any untapped Malkavian can take an action (go clockwise if two or more attempt to take actions). Any minion can burn this card as an action that any untapped Malkavian {(in addition to the normally eligible blockers)} can attempt to block (go clockwise if two or more attempt to block). 3. A minion takes an action. The prey and then predator's minions are allowed to attempt to block. If Anneke, Eagle's Sight, superior Falcon's Eye (or any other unrestricted methods) are then used to attempt to block, in what order should those block attempts be resolved? The prey's Minions and then go around the table clockwise? Kevin M., Prince of Madison, WI (USA) "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

In message <u7tjnn5...@corp.supernews.com>, Kevin M. <kjmergen@PLEAS ENOSPAMMEcharter.net> writes: >1. Is it correct to say that the acting minion's Methuselah controls the timing >of Darkness Within's blood moving effect? Well, it happens during strike resolution - which could either be the whole phase, so the minion could order it (per Weather Control) or it could happen at the same time as Wolf Companion etc. >2. When attempting to block an action directed at burning the Madness >Network, Malkavians may attempt to block "in addition to the normally >eligible blockers". Does this ruling indicate that Malkavians wanting to >attempt to block the action must wait until all other eligible minions >choose not to block, i.e. they get to attempt to block LAST? Yes. Going clockwise round the table. >3. A minion takes an action. The prey and then predator's minions are >allowed to attempt to block. If Anneke, Eagle's Sight, superior Falcon's >Eye (or any other unrestricted methods) are then used to attempt to block, >in what order should those block attempts be resolved? The prey's Minions >and then go around the table clockwise? Prey, then Predator. Then everyone else, going clockwise. -- James Coupe but I lust after the raw pow0r of c. PGP 0x5D623D5D together with the humping great EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 elephant arse of gnome. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D - Vashti

James Coupe skrev i meddelandet <8roLB0Mi...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>... >In message <u7tjnn5...@corp.supernews.com>, Kevin M. <kjmergen@PLEAS >ENOSPAMMEcharter.net> writes: >>1. Is it correct to say that the acting minion's Methuselah controls the timing >>of Darkness Within's blood moving effect? > >Well, it happens during strike resolution - which could either be the >whole phase, so the minion could order it (per Weather Control) or it >could happen at the same time as Wolf Companion etc. > Actually, it's a move blood effect and therefore goes into the steal/move blood phase, which happens right before damage is dealt. I suppuse if either minion also makes a steal/move blood effect (i.e. Theft) the acting minion could order these effects. -- /Henrik Isaksson Prins av Halmstad

In message <a5ml37$8h2eg$1...@ID-99227.news.dfncis.de>, Henrik <henrik.isak DELET...@spray.se> writes: >>Well, it happens during strike resolution - which could either be the >>whole phase, so the minion could order it (per Weather Control) or it >>could happen at the same time as Wolf Companion etc. > >Actually, it's a move blood effect and therefore goes into the steal/move >blood phase, which happens right before damage is dealt. The point I was playing up is rather that Strike Resolution could refer to a rather longer section, though on balance I'd put it at the Wolf Companion bit. However, damage is dealt to a victim at the same time as, say, steal blood effects. However, damage is then prevented and healed in a later step. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe wrote: > Kevin M. <kjme...@PLEASENOSPAMMEcharter.net> writes: > >1. Is it correct to say that the acting minion's Methuselah controls the timing > >of Darkness Within's blood moving effect? > > Well, it happens during strike resolution - which could either be the > whole phase, so the minion could order it (per Weather Control) or it > could happen at the same time as Wolf Companion etc. Right. It happens during the standard "during strike resolution" window - the initial normal (non-First-Strike) strike resolution of the round. It happens simultaneously with other such effects. Damage applied during that step has no effect on blood (blood is burned in the subsequent step), but for purposes of ordering the DW effect among other steal/burn blood effects, the acting minion's controller gets to order them, correct. > >2. When attempting to block an action directed at burning the Madness > >Network, Malkavians may attempt to block "in addition to the normally > >eligible blockers". Does this ruling indicate that Malkavians wanting to > >attempt to block the action must wait until all other eligible minions > >choose not to block, i.e. they get to attempt to block LAST? > > Yes. Going clockwise round the table. Right. Minions controlled by the target (the controller of the MN) get first chance to block. When that Methuselah says "I don't block", then other Methuselahs' Malks can attempt to block (going clockwise from the acting Meth as usual). > >3. A minion takes an action. The prey and then predator's minions are > >allowed to attempt to block. If Anneke, Eagle's Sight, superior Falcon's > >Eye (or any other unrestricted methods) are then used to attempt to block, > >in what order should those block attempts be resolved? The prey's Minions > >and then go around the table clockwise? > > Prey, then Predator. Then everyone else, going clockwise. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C7EE4F8...@white-wolf.com... [ quoted text not captured ] After the Predator or Prey state that their minions choose not to block, then, going clockwise, could one of the Prey's minions then state that they were blocking with Eagle's Sight/Falcon's Eye? Or has the Prey COMPLETELY passed his minion's blocking-attempt phase when he passed it the first time? > LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. > Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Kevin M., Prince of Madison, WI (USA) [ quoted text not captured ]

"Kevin M." wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > > James Coupe wrote: > > > Prey, then Predator. Then everyone else, going clockwise. > > > > Correct. > > After the Predator or Prey state that their minions choose not to block, then, > going clockwise, could one of the Prey's minions then state that they were > blocking with Eagle's Sight/Falcon's Eye? Or has the Prey COMPLETELY passed > his minion's blocking-attempt phase when he passed it the first time? Eagle's Sight: the former (due to errata/ruling from Tom). Falcon's Eye: the latter (absence of such a ruling). The Eagle's Sight issue is under review. -- [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <u7u4oi3...@corp.supernews.com>, Kevin M. <kjmergen@PLEAS ENOSPAMMEcharter.net> writes: >> > Prey, then Predator. Then everyone else, going clockwise. >> >> Correct. > >After the Predator or Prey state that their minions choose not to block, then, >going clockwise, could one of the Prey's minions then state that they were >blocking with Eagle's Sight/Falcon's Eye? With Eagle's Sight, yes. With Falcon's Eye, no. [LSJ 2002-01-12] http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C40BEBA.5B43A3F9%40white-wolf.com [Going back on a "No block" declaration] "Anneke can, yes. Eagle's Sight can, by the curious ruling cited (although Google doesn't archive that article)... Falcon's Eye won't overcome a "no block" decision, though." [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C7F62B9...@white-wolf.com... > "Kevin M." wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > > > James Coupe wrote: > > > > Prey, then Predator. Then everyone else, going clockwise. > > > > > > Correct. > > > > After the Predator or Prey state that their minions choose not to block, then, > > going clockwise, could one of the Prey's minions then state that they were > > blocking with Eagle's Sight/Falcon's Eye? Or has the Prey COMPLETELY passed > > his minion's blocking-attempt phase when he passed it the first time? > > Eagle's Sight: the former (due to errata/ruling from Tom). > Falcon's Eye: the latter (absence of such a ruling). > > The Eagle's Sight issue is under review. just a word to say that Eagle sight is nice as it is. Saving people cross table at the last expected moment can be a cool thing for all the diplomatic aspect of jyhad -erm, V:tes. Seeing if people will play conditioning before *really* deciding to block is also a cool trick that should stay for fun's sake ;) reyda

>>After the Predator or Prey state that their minions choose not to block, >then, >>going clockwise, could one of the Prey's minions then state that they were >>blocking with Eagle's Sight/Falcon's Eye? > >With Eagle's Sight, yes. With Falcon's Eye, no. Isn't it clear that Eagles have keener eyesight than Falcons? Anyway, if Eagle's Sight *were* to be changed, then it wouldn't fit well (consistent) with Anneke anymore (whose card text explicitly states "may attempt to block a vampire controlled by another Methuselah after others have declined or failed to block"). Halcyan 2