Deal with the devil question.

Why does the Deal with the devil card not let you discard it until you draw a new hand? To me this seems to have no use. You would draw yr 6 cards minus the one (deal with the devil) then discard that one. you still get seven cards at the same time, so why does the card say what it says? am i playing it wrong? my gaming group would like to know. thank you, Antonio Giovanni

[ quoted text not captured ] Hm. Card text for Deal with the Devil sez: "Master. Discard your hand and draw a new one." Which is less than informative, so we wander off to the rules, which say that you replace a card IMMEDIATELY after playing one, and then go by card text since it doesn't contradict the rules. So you play Deal with the Devil, and immediately replace. Now you discard your entire hand, and draw as many cards as your current hand size at the time. The difference is that the top card of your library is discarded without you having a choice in the matter. This is the "Devil" part of the card, IMO - by playing the card you may well throw away the one you've been searching for all along, but that's the risk you take. -- Derek Jack-Booted Thug of Atlanta

"Jesse Trawinski" <jes...@erols.com> wrote: > Why does the Deal with the devil card not let you discard it > until you draw a new hand? To me this seems to have no use. > You would draw yr 6 cards minus the one (deal with the devil) > then discard that one. you still get seven cards at the same > time, so why does the card say what it says? am i playing it > wrong? my gaming group would like to know. If you replaced it right away, you would then immediately discard your hand (including the card replaced) and draw seven new cards. As it is, you do not replace it immediately, but instead you simply discard the rest of your hand (six cards) and then draw seven (replacing the six and the Deal with the Devil). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <9jjhps884n8nlo05j...@4ax.com>, Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> writes > This is the "Devil" part >of the card, IMO - by playing the card you may well throw away the one >you've been searching for all along, but that's the risk you take. No, it's not. You don't replace the card, until afterwards. Effectively, you play Deal with the Devil, empty your entire hand, draw a new one. You see all the cards, and no cards move (effectively) directly from library to ash heap. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D | ja...@zephyr.org.uk (New e-mail) "Who'd have ever predicted the moment would come when I find myself grateful they've kept women dumb? She's an innocent maiden but then so am I, that's why it's possible I could get by."

In article <8nae28$63j$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, Jesse Trawinski <jes...@erols.com> writes >Why does the Deal with the devil card not let you discard it until you draw >a new hand? To me this seems to have no use. You would draw yr 6 cards minus >the one (deal with the devil) then discard that one. you still get seven >cards at the same time, so why does the card say what it says? am i playing >it wrong? my gaming group would like to know. Originally, you would play Deal with the Devil, it would go into the ash-heap, and you would draw a new card. Then you would discard your hand and draw a new one. So, at that point, a card would go from your library to your ash-heap and you would never get the chance to play it. With the card as it is, you play the card, *don't* replace it, discard the other 6 cards in your hand and then get a whole new hand. The old way, you could have lost a card completely. That's why it's written how it is in V:TES, changed from Jyhad. [ quoted text not captured ]