Q: Amaranth and Tension in the Ranks

6.4.3. Strike If one or both of the combatants are no longer ready (because one has taken too much damage, for instance), then combat ends immediately. So if a strike inflicts more damage than a minion can heal or prevent, then combat ends at that point (no further strikes, no presses, etc.). This is true at any point during combat, not just during strike resolution. Amaranth [Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U, Anarchs:PAG, BH:PTo2] Cardtype: Combat Only usable by a vampire who can commit diablerie. Only usable when the opposing vampire should go to torpor. Diablerize the opposing vampire instead. Not usable by a vampire going to torpor. Tension in the Ranks [CE:R2] Cardtype: Master Unique master. Put this card in play. Whenever a ready minion is burned or sent to torpor, the controller of the minion burns a pool. Any Methuselah can burn this card by discarding 2 master cards as a master phase action. So, does TitR trigger on a succesful Amaranth? That is to say, is the minion being Amaranth'd considered to be still ready (a condition on TitR) prior to the Amaranth being played? Once a minion is no longer ready the combat immediately ends, so I assume there must be a point in time, still in the combat (Amaranth is a combat card afterall), when a minion is _about_ to not be ready (going to torpor, but not there yet) that Amaranth can be played in. The minion would burn in this window as a (just) ready minion and TitR would trigger. Close? Cheers, -Scrote

scrote wrote: > Tension in the Ranks [CE:R2] > So, does TitR trigger on a succesful Amaranth? That is to say, is the > minion being Amaranth'd considered to be still ready (a condition on > TitR) prior to the Amaranth being played? Yes. He's either ready or torpored first, either of which will trigger TitR. For other cards, like Fame, where it actually matters, he is in fact burned while ready (Fame is not triggered). > Once a minion is no longer ready the combat immediately ends, so I > assume there must be a point in time, still in the combat (Amaranth is > a combat card afterall), when a minion is _about_ to not be ready > (going to torpor, but not there yet) that Amaranth can be played in. Amaranth is a "as combat is ending" combat card, yes. > The minion would burn in this window as a (just) ready minion and TitR > would trigger. > > Close? Yes. -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

[ quoted text not captured ] A minion in play is either ready or in torpor. Amaranth is playable when a vampire should go to torpor (but isn't there yet). The diablerie via Amaranth burns the vampire and triggers Tension in the Ranks. Looks like you answered your own question. :) Jeff

scrote wrote: > So, does TitR trigger on a succesful Amaranth? That is to say, is the > minion being Amaranth'd considered to be still ready (a condition on > TitR) prior to the Amaranth being played? Yes. The opposing minion is being burned from the ready region. (Even, for sake of argument, if the opposing minion were somehow not in the ready region, they must've been in the ready region at the start of combat, so at some point they left...) > Once a minion is no longer ready the combat immediately ends, so I > assume there must be a point in time, still in the combat (Amaranth is > a combat card afterall), when a minion is _about_ to not be ready > (going to torpor, but not there yet) that Amaranth can be played in. > The minion would burn in this window as a (just) ready minion and TitR > would trigger. There's a ruling that I'm too lazy to look up right now, but it basically is, "regardless of how combat ends, there's always a chance to play "end of combat" or "end of round" cards at the end of it." So even if your opponent play Majesty, you can still play Taste of Vitae. Read "combat ends" as "skip to the end of this round, past the press step". This is also why you can play Taste of Vitae even if you're sending your opponent to torpor, etc. --Colin McGuigan

Man, you three are question answering fiends. Thanks for the clarifications though. -Scrote

On 23 Apr 2005 09:15:39 -0700, "scrote" <mud...@hotmail.com> scrawled: >Man, you three are question answering fiends. > >Thanks for the clarifications though. hey scrote, did you notice this bit on amaranth? "Only usable when the opposing vampire *should* go to torpor. Diablerize the opposing vampire *instead*." emphasis added. :) salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

Yeah, I noticed it, even without emphasis. I am pretty good :P It came up the other night, and while we decided that TitR would trigger, I simply had to have something official. Cheers -Scrote BTW email me your street address so that I can post those cards back to you. Also, did you manage to give my doona to the Adelaide crowd?

In message <1114303883....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, scrote <mud...@hotmail.com> writes: >Yeah, I noticed it, even without emphasis. I am pretty good :P Noticed what? Without quoting and trimming whatever prompted your response, it's hard to follow your posts. -- James Coupe "Why do so many talented people turn out to be sexual PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D deviants? Why can't they just be normal like me and EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 look at internet pictures of men's cocks all day?" 13D7E668C3695D623D5D -- www.livejournal.com/users/scarletdemon/

James Coupe wrote: >> In message <1114303883....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, >> scrote <mud...@hotmail.com> writes: salem wrote: > On 23 Apr 2005 09:15:39 -0700, "scrote" <mud...@hotmail.com> scrawled: > >>Man, you three are question answering fiends. >> >>Thanks for the clarifications though. > > hey scrote, did you notice this bit on amaranth? > > "Only usable when the opposing vampire *should* go to torpor. > Diablerize the opposing vampire *instead*." >>Yeah, I noticed it, even without emphasis. I am pretty good :P Well, maybe only sort of good. > > Noticed what? Obviously it was easy to find in this thread, but point taken. > > Without quoting and trimming whatever prompted your response, it's hard > to follow your posts. I like the element of mystery. Cheers, -Scrote [ quoted text not captured ]