Weather Control, yet again

Does Weather Control damage, when played by the acting minion, have to be applied in the same sequence of effects as the one the Weather Control card is played in? That is, when the card is played, it sets up an effect "do 1 damage" to be applied later in the prerange step. But can the acting Methuselah pass priority after playing the card but before applying the damage, and then get another set of effects (including the damage application) even if the blocking Meth passes as well? Or is the acting Meth forced to apply the damage before her first passing of priority, because the blocking Meth might not have any effects to play at that time? thanks, Josh (think this came up on the vtes yahoogroup recently too)

"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:2n9oh3F...@uni-berlin.de... > Does Weather Control damage, when played by the acting minion, have to > be applied in the same sequence of effects as the one the Weather > Control card is played in? Who plays Weather Control is immaterial. Once the pre-range damage effect is set up, it will be handled before leaving the phase. No Methuselah can therefore "pass" with this effect still pending. > That is, when the card is played, it sets up an effect "do 1 damage" to > be applied later in the prerange step. But can the acting Methuselah > pass priority after playing the card but before applying the damage, and > then get another set of effects (including the damage application) even > if the blocking Meth passes as well? Or is the acting Meth forced to > apply the damage before her first passing of priority, because the > blocking Meth might not have any effects to play at that time? The latter. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:2n9qqgF...@uni-berlin.de... > "Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:2n9oh3F...@uni-berlin.de... > > Does Weather Control damage, when played by the acting minion, have to > > be applied in the same sequence of effects as the one the Weather > > Control card is played in? > > Who plays Weather Control is immaterial. Once the pre-range damage effect > is set up, it will be handled before leaving the phase. > > No Methuselah can therefore "pass" with this effect still pending. Thanks. I perhaps shouldn't have relied on the word "pass" though - if the blocking minion plays Weather Control, doesn't that playing of an effect immediately return priority to the acting Methuselah to play the next effect, even though the damage effect has not yet been handled? Josh uncontrollable weather!

"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:2n9rb3F...@uni-berlin.de... > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > > No Methuselah can therefore "pass" with this effect still pending. > > Thanks. I perhaps shouldn't have relied on the word "pass" though - if > the blocking minion plays Weather Control, doesn't that playing of an > effect immediately return priority to the acting Methuselah to play the > next effect, even though the damage effect has not yet been handled? Yes. And no Methuselah can "pass" with that effect still pending. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:2n9sk0F...@uni-berlin.de... > "Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:2n9rb3F...@uni-berlin.de... > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > > > No Methuselah can therefore "pass" with this effect still pending. > > > > Thanks. I perhaps shouldn't have relied on the word "pass" though - if > > the blocking minion plays Weather Control, doesn't that playing of an > > effect immediately return priority to the acting Methuselah to play the > > next effect, even though the damage effect has not yet been handled? > > > Yes. And no Methuselah can "pass" with that effect still pending. Sorry to belabor this point, but does this mean that the acting Meth, when she regains priority after the Weather Control is played, must apply the damaging effect herself? I would have thought that it should be applied by the blocking Meth since she "controlled" the effect (meaning that the acting Meth would need to eventually pass on playing more effects so that the blocking Meth can again take priority and apply the Weather Control damage). Josh probably a good thing not too many cards work this way

"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:2na6p2F...@uni-berlin.de... > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > news:2n9sk0F...@uni-berlin.de... > > "Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message > news:2n9rb3F...@uni-berlin.de... > > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > > > > No Methuselah can therefore "pass" with this effect still pending. > > > > > > Thanks. I perhaps shouldn't have relied on the word "pass" though - > if > > > the blocking minion plays Weather Control, doesn't that playing of > an > > > effect immediately return priority to the acting Methuselah to play > the > > > next effect, even though the damage effect has not yet been handled? > > > > > > Yes. And no Methuselah can "pass" with that effect still pending. > > Sorry to belabor this point, but does this mean that the acting Meth, > when she regains priority after the Weather Control is played, must > apply the damaging effect herself? I would have thought that it should It means she cannot pass. She could play other effects first, though. > be applied by the blocking Meth since she "controlled" the effect > (meaning that the acting Meth would need to eventually pass on playing > more effects so that the blocking Meth can again take priority and apply > the Weather Control damage). -- [ quoted text not captured ]

> > > > > No Methuselah can therefore "pass" with this effect still pending. > > > > > > > > Thanks. I perhaps shouldn't have relied on the word "pass" though > > > > - if the blocking minion plays Weather Control, doesn't that > > > > playing of an effect immediately return priority to the acting > > > > Methuselah to play the next effect, even though the damage effect > > > > has not yet been handled? > > > > > > > > > Yes. And no Methuselah can "pass" with that effect still pending. > > > > Sorry to belabor this point, but does this mean that the acting Meth, > > when she regains priority after the Weather Control is played, must > > apply the damaging effect herself? I would have thought that it should > > It means she cannot pass. > She could play other effects first, though. > If she plays Alpha Glint [ANI] [FOR], does Combat End before the Weather Control damage is applied?

"Gregory Stuart Pettigrew" <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote in message news:2004080315...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net... > If she plays Alpha Glint [ANI] [FOR], does Combat End before the Weather > Control damage is applied? Once Weather Control is played, combat cannot end with applying the damage. [ quoted text not captured ]