I've heard that the Wizards have made an effort to buy back Jyhad boxes
and booster from wholesalers/retailers/whatever in effort to make a place
in the market for V:TES. Is this true?
Ever since this name change from Jyhad has first been proposed, I've been
concerned about people's reactions to cards that I personally own. "Oh,
no. Look. He has those wicked cards with that horrid reference to Middle
Eastern terrorist's groups! Jyhad!"
In all seriousness, though, does WotC have any concern for faithful
participators/purchasers/enthusiasts/supporters of Jyhad (now V:TES)? Am
I now stuck with a product that is effectively defective? Is not the name
on the cards I already own an affront to certain people/ethnic
groups/nationalities no matter what steps WotC has taken to rectify it
with V:TES?
Ultimately, I guess I'm wondering if they will also buy back/trade
1-for-1-rarity-for-rarity the cards I have purchased from them and provide
me with the perfected product--the product that is not insulting people by
callously using a questionable term.
Mark
Bofurbane (bofu...@aol.com) wrote:
: I've heard that the Wizards have made an effort to buy back Jyhad boxes: and booster from wholesalers/retailers/whatever in effort to make a place
: in the market for V:TES. Is this true?
Doubtful, but I haven't heard anything about it.
: Ultimately, I guess I'm wondering if they will also buy back/trade: 1-for-1-rarity-for-rarity the cards I have purchased from them and provide
: me with the perfected product--the product that is not insulting people by
: callously using a questionable term.
WotC has stated in no uncertain terms that they are not going to do any
sort of Jyhad/VTES tradein. The idea has been championed by many members
of this group, but the official Netrep (Tom Wylie) informs us that the
decision has been made for financial reasons. Apparently, VTES could not
withstand the financial hit of a trade-in of Jyhad cards. (WotC could as a
company, but it would apparently make the balance sheets for VTES go so
far into the red that the game would never recover and become a
moneymaker. So goes the official story.)
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In article <49sc7u$g...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, bofu...@aol.com
(Bofurbane) writes:
>Ultimately, I guess I'm wondering if they will also buy back/trade
>1-for-1-rarity-for-rarity the cards I have purchased from them and
provide
>me with the perfected product--the product that is not insulting people
by
>callously using a questionable term.
If it was so offensive, why did you buy them in the first place? Just
because WotC says it's offensive now when it wasn't a year ago? It's one
thing to be compassionate it's another to be hung up on what is
politically correct. If you've been using racial slurs your entire life
and one person says "hey that's wrong", trading in your old habits for
friendly habits doesn't make the bad ones go away. Someone mentioned
Jihad being a term for "struggle" and not "holy war", I don't think the
cards I own have offended anyone.
Bofurbane <bofu...@aol.com> wrote:
>I've heard that the Wizards have made an effort to buy back Jyhad boxes
>and booster from wholesalers/retailers/whatever in effort to make a place
>in the market for V:TES. Is this true?
Highly doubtful.
>In all seriousness, though, does WotC have any concern for faithful
>participators/purchasers/enthusiasts/supporters of Jyhad (now V:TES)? Am
>I now stuck with a product that is effectively defective? Is not the name
>on the cards I already own an affront to certain people/ethnic
>groups/nationalities no matter what steps WotC has taken to rectify it
>with V:TES?
Yes, we have concern for those who bought Jyhad, which is why the
cards are legal in tournaments, why VTES uses basically the same
rules, and so on.
>Ultimately, I guess I'm wondering if they will also buy back/trade
>1-for-1-rarity-for-rarity the cards I have purchased from them and provide
>me with the perfected product--the product that is not insulting people by
>callously using a questionable term.
Unfortunately the brand would not survive the financial hit of any
kind of tradein program.
Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for
aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
Biomech8 (biom...@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <4a5us7$6...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R
: Does anyone remember how much WotC grossed last year? I remember hearing
: something on the news about it recently but don't remember the exact
: number, just that it was BIG!
People have brought that up several times--that WotC is a company that
makes a lot of money and therefore can afford to take a huge loss in
doing the Jyhad/VTES exchange. While I wish that J/VTES made enough for
them to warrant such a trade, I have to side with WotC otherwise.
While WotC can total their gross and profits, they don't do so with all
games combined. Each game must be totalled separately, I'm sure. If any
game comes out in the red, I would assume they would do what they can
[cheaply as possible since the game is already losing money] to fix it,
and if not, probably scrap it. For a long time [before VTES was
announced], this is what I thought they did with Jyhad. Pulling lots of
money from the very profitable items and putting it into an item that is
losing money or making no profit has ruined many a company.
If VTES is only scrambling by [despite DS sales], then it makes no
sense for the company to spend the amount of money to do an exchange [if
it is a high amount] if they feel the return on the investment will not
even be positive. If the company feels that even after doing the
exchange, VTES will be no better off, then I can't blame them for not
doing it--and think about it: Why does everyone want this exchange so
badly? SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUY VAMPIRE: THE ETERNAL STRUGGLE. What
company in their right mind is going to spend huge amounts of money to
prevent their customers from buying their product?
Not that I feel that they did the right thing by changing the backs,
mind you... Nor that the DC should have made the 40/60 ruling. Both
were very stupid decisions that threaten to cut off the game's
lifeblood--its players. A 20/80 or 30/70 split ruling would have been better,
and the only thing we can hope for is a reversal of the 40/60 ruling. The
card backs will most likely NEVER be changed back to Jyhad [then we'd
have Jyhad cards with Jyhad backs, VTES cards with their backs and VTES
cards with Jyhad backs. New players would never get it.], and unless new
and old players buy the VTES out there, there is likely never to be a
trade-in. And even then I wouldn't get my hopes up until the player base
for VTES/Jyhad doubles or triples and everyone wants the trade.
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In article <4a5us7$6...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R
Wylie) writes:
>>Ultimately, I guess I'm wondering if they will also buy back/trade
>>1-for-1-rarity-for-rarity the cards I have purchased from them and
provide
>>me with the perfected product--the product that is not insulting people
by
>>callously using a questionable term.>
>Unfortunately the brand would not survive the financial hit of any
>kind of tradein program.
Does anyone remember how much WotC grossed last year? I remember hearing
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