But then why aren't there any zombie vampires then? Heheh, yeah I
know, but still...
If Tremere get their slaves as Minio cards, or rather crypt cards, why
shouldn't Tzi get their slaves as crypt cards too? (the fact that
ghouls have trouble making other ghouls is one point to make, but
still...).
~SV
>If Tremere get their slaves as Minio cards, or rather crypt cards, why
>shouldn't Tzi get their slaves as crypt cards too? (the fact that
>ghouls have trouble making other ghouls is one point to make, but
>still...).
Because Tremere are like, ten times better than Tzimisce? =)
Halcyan 2
Halcyan 2 <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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And just when I started to actually respect your opinions, you go and say
something silly like that :-)
> Halcyan 2
BTW, apologies to Halcyan 2 for sending the response privately. Damned
"Reply to Sender button" It shall pay for its insolence!
Peteo
> If Tremere get their slaves as Minio cards, or rather crypt cards, why
> shouldn't Tzi get their slaves as crypt cards too? (the fact that
> ghouls have trouble making other ghouls is one point to make, but
> still...).
>
> ~SV
Because Gargoyles are Vampires unto themselves. The rest are just ghouls.
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Since when did the Tzimisce have zombies as slaves? The Tzimisce are
your nasty, eastern-european types that make war ghouls and other
flesh crafted monstrosities. It's the Giovanni that mess around with
zombies.
Iain Wilson
VEKN Prince of Milton Keynes
> > Because Gargoyles are Vampires unto themselves. The rest are just ghouls.
>
> Since when did the Tzimisce have zombies as slaves? The Tzimisce are
> your nasty, eastern-european types that make war ghouls and other
> flesh crafted monstrosities. It's the Giovanni that mess around with
> zombies.
>
Haha, true, true. I should have pointed that one out too.
> If Tremere get their slaves as Minio cards, or rather crypt cards, why
> shouldn't Tzi get their slaves as crypt cards too? (the fact that
> ghouls have trouble making other ghouls is one point to make, but
> still...).
Umm...what?
The Giovanni are the zombie-makers (well, the Giovanni, the Nagaraja,
the Harbingers, and the Samedi to a lesser extent) -- and they're
zombies, not vampires. To make a zombie, you must first have a
corpse.
Under Revised rules, vampires leave no corpse when they die -- they
dust (the Buffy effect) immediately.
Or did you mean why don't the Tzim get their ghouls as crypt cards.
The answer? Because they're ghouls, not vampires.
The only vampires that were created as slaves to another were the
Gargoyles.
The Fanboy
>The only vampires that were created as slaves to another were the
>Gargoyles.
Well, the Blood Brothers are kind of like slaves of the Sabbat...
Halcyan 2
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The entire time I meant to be referring to Ghouls for Tzi... so the
subject thread was entirely wrong. My bad. And I'll probably be
suffering for it for a while.
Anyhow... But really though. In the WoD game, can't ghouls gain
similar powers to vampires? I know that zombies usually have Pot, or
one disc. of the clan that the vampire who 'sired' him was from.
Aren't ghouls similar?
~SV
In message <f987c6cd.01103...@posting.google.com>, vermillian
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>Anyhow... But really though. In the WoD game, can't ghouls gain
>similar powers to vampires? I know that zombies usually have Pot, or
>one disc. of the clan that the vampire who 'sired' him was from.
>Aren't ghouls similar?
Ghouls can often gain small amounts of Potence. More rarely, Celerity
and/or Fortitude.
Ghouled Street Thug is a good example, here.
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> Anyhow... But really though. In the WoD game, can't ghouls gain
> similar powers to vampires? I know that zombies usually have Pot, or
> one disc. of the clan that the vampire who 'sired' him was from.
> Aren't ghouls similar?
Well Ghouled Street Thug has potence and Rafastio Ghoul has thaumaturgy.
Roger
>Anyhow... But really though. In the WoD game, can't ghouls gain
>similar powers to vampires? I know that zombies usually have Pot, or
>one disc. of the clan that the vampire who 'sired' him was from.
>Aren't ghouls similar?
I think you mean ghouls again. Zombies are pretty much mindless corpses that
are used as servants or for lowly tasks.
Ghouls can indeed learn some disciplines (as Roger pointed out we have the
Ghouled Street Thug and the Rafastio Ghoul). But just about every ghoul is
still considered to be inferior to even the weakest vampire. Ghouls aren't even
remotely close to a vampire in power (with very few rare exceptions).
Halcyan 2
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Not even a one cap?
So... if ghouls are so unpowerful, why did Tremere make lots of
Gargoyles (vampires) to fight them? And if vampires are so much more
powerful, why am I always getting whooped by the war ghoul! :)
~SV
vermillian wrote:
> So... if ghouls are so unpowerful, why did Tremere make lots of
> Gargoyles (vampires) to fight them? And if vampires are so much more
> powerful, why am I always getting whooped by the war ghoul! :)
The Gargoyles were created to battle the WARghouls created by the Tzi.
WARghouls are stronger than the basic ghoul.
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In article <20011030190557...@mb-mv.aol.com>,
halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote:
>Ghouls can indeed learn some disciplines (as Roger pointed out we have the
>Ghouled Street Thug and the Rafastio Ghoul). But just about every ghoul is
>still considered to be inferior to even the weakest vampire. Ghouls aren't even
>remotely close to a vampire in power (with very few rare exceptions).
Rafastio aren't ordinary ghouls either, they're revenants--humans
which are born ghouled, live for centuries, produce small amounts of
vampiric blood, and have access to advanced disciplines. There's
several families thereof, the results of selective breeding by various
clans in the past.
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>Rafastio aren't ordinary ghouls either, they're revenants--humans
>which are born ghouled, live for centuries, produce small amounts of
>vampiric blood, and have access to advanced disciplines. There's
>several families thereof, the results of selective breeding by various
>clans in the past.
Yeah, in the RPG they're really special (reverents that is). And it's taken the
Tzimisce centuries to develop their lines. The Tzimisce have the Bratovitch,
Grimaldi, Obertus, and Zantosa. The Rafastios are actually clanless (just like
their no-requirement ally card). And the Tremere actually have a group too, the
Ducheski (think they defected from the Tzimisce or something).
But in the card game, the Reverents aren't all that. No better than a Raven
Spy! =)
*** Don't worry, I know that I'm misspelling "revenant" as "reverent." It's
just a personal taste (like "harbringers" as opposed to "harbinger"). The other
possible reason is I'm just too lazy to re-edit this... =)
Halcyan 2
> The Gargoyles were created to battle the WARghouls created by the Tzi.
> WARghouls are stronger than the basic ghoul.
And also are comprised of at least ten ghouls, usually more.
Fanboy
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3BDFF7EF...@white-wolf.com>...
> vermillian wrote:
> > So... if ghouls are so unpowerful, why did Tremere make lots of
> > Gargoyles (vampires) to fight them? And if vampires are so much more
> > powerful, why am I always getting whooped by the war ghoul! :)
>
> The Gargoyles were created to battle the WARghouls created by the Tzi.
> WARghouls are stronger than the basic ghoul.
Yeah. See the clan novels for an indication of the strength of war ghouls :)