rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

question about multiple contesting

11 messages from 10 participants · 09 December 1994 – 14 December 1994
original thread on Google Groups

Michael B. Moore

What happens when two methuselahs (Joel and Neil) contest a prince, and then a third (Jack) passes a praxis seizure on that prince's title? Is the title simply given to Jack's vampire (since the contested vampires aren't in the game)? Or does the title become contested also? In which case, do the contested vampires each pay 1 blood to contest the title? What happens if Neil decides to yeild the title (and still contest the prince) and Joel continues to contest both the vampire and the title? Mike ps: thanks for all the recent suggestions about Oracle questions. This combo REALLY annoyed my prey. Q: What will your answer be next turn? A: No. Q: Will you attempt to block any of my minions actions for the rest of the game?

Matt Dworkin

Michael B. Moore (mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu) wrote: : What happens when two methuselahs (Joel and Neil) contest a prince, and : then a third (Jack) passes a praxis seizure on that prince's title? : Is the title simply given to Jack's vampire (since the contested vampires : aren't in the game)? My thought would be that Jack's would have the title (since the other two are not ready) until one of you conceeds. Then the title would be in contest. However, if I recall, titles in contest only result in neither vamp being able to use those votes, and not an actual blood loss. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Matt the Wired (Justicar)

matt...@utdallas.edu

Matt Dworkin (mdwo...@force.stwing.upenn.edu) wrote: > However, if I recall, titles in contest only result in neither vamp being > able to use those votes, and not an actual blood loss. > Someone correct me if I'm wrong. If two vamps contest titles, blood has to be paid, but the blood is taken from the vampire, not the methuselah--so yes, your wrong, I believe. > Matt the Wired (Justicar) Been taking some No-Doze [tm], Matt? -ben -- "I've seen things you wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tann- hauser gate. All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain."

Josh Hsu

In article <3c95ku$4...@netnews.upenn.edu>, Michael B. Moore <mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu> wrote: >ps: thanks for all the recent suggestions about Oracle questions. This >combo REALLY annoyed my prey. >Q: What will your answer be next turn? >A: No. Be careful on this one, the question that you asked is not a yes or no question(even though the answer yes or no is valid). Therefore, since you are not asking a yes or no question, you victim does not have to answer yes or no. >Q: Will you attempt to block any of my minions actions for the rest of the >game? Even if the first part of the question gets through, the wording on the card says if possible. If the victim being asked the question doesn't think its possible to follow his answer from the last round, does he really have to follow his old answer?

L. Scott Johnson

jo...@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Josh Hsu) writes: >In article <3c95ku$4...@netnews.upenn.edu>, >Michael B. Moore <mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu> wrote: >>ps: thanks for all the recent suggestions about Oracle questions. This >>combo REALLY annoyed my prey. >>Q: What will your answer be next turn? >>A: No. >Be careful on this one, the question that you asked is not a yes or no >question(even though the answer yes or no is valid). Therefore, since you are >not asking a yes or no question, you victim does not have to answer yes or no. Try: Q: Will your answer to my next question be 'yes'? >>Q: Will you attempt to block any of my minions actions for the rest of the >>game? >Even if the first part of the question gets through, the wording on the card >says if possible. If the victim being asked the question doesn't think its >possible to follow his answer from the last round, does he really have to >follow his old answer? Come on. It is possible to answer 'no' (try it, it's easy), so you must validate your prior answer by answering 'no' this time. You must then validate that by not attampting to block the minion actions for the rest of the game. (Again, very easy to do - just don't block :-) L. Scott Johnson

Joe Cochran

In article <3c95ku$4...@netnews.upenn.edu>, Michael B. Moore <mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu> wrote: >What happens when two methuselahs (Joel and Neil) contest a prince, and >then a third (Jack) passes a praxis seizure on that prince's title? > Jack's vampire is the prince. When Joel gives up the contest and Neil's comes into play, the title of prince is then contested. Jack's vampire and Neil's vampire can both act, but neither gets the title until one of them gives it up. | If you've got a hot lead on a new | *--Joe--* | PC game, call the announce line at | js...@vt.edu | ** csi...@discus.ise.vt.edu ** | +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------- "Carnivores, oy!" -- Timon, TLK

Larry Harriman

: However, if I recall, titles in contest only result in neither vamp being : able to use those votes, and not an actual blood loss. : Someone correct me if I'm wrong. : Matt the Wired (Justicar) Actually, there is a blood loss, but from the vamps, not from the metheuseluh. Stops those upstart three pool neonates from taking out the REAL prince of Boston. Larrx...

Tom Wylie

Michael B. Moore <mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu> wrote: >What happens when two methuselahs (Joel and Neil) contest a prince, and >then a third (Jack) passes a praxis seizure on that prince's title? All copies of a unique card/title get contested, not just two at a time. Jack's title will go into contention, and the vampire will have to start paying to contend it.* >Is the title simply given to Jack's vampire (since the contested vampires >aren't in the game)? The vampires are "in the game" enough to mark their title, or future copies of themselves, as contested. >Or does the title become contested also? In which case, do the contested >vampires each pay 1 blood to contest the title? What happens if Neil >decides to yeild the title (and still contest the prince) and Joel >continues to contest both the vampire and the title? The contested vampires don't pay to contest the title; Joel and Neil just pay pool to contest the entire vampire. Jack's vampire will pay blood to keep the title contested. Joel and Neil cannot just yield the title, but would have to yield the entire vampire. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc. * Actually, I suppose I should check on that part of it, but that's what the rules seem to say.

Brian Wilson

Before I could do anything to stop it, L. Scott Johnson wrote: > Q: Will your answer to my next question be 'yes'? A: That all depends. What's your next question? -- Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas snoot of a | a-Henh! fully charged icing annointment utensil, he poots forth | a tiny green rosette near the summit of a dense but | Brian radiant muffin of his own design. | Wilson | We miss you, Frank! |

Michael G Schmahl

Michael B. Moore (mmo...@linc.cis.upenn.edu) wrote: : What happens when two methuselahs (Joel and Neil) contest a prince, and : then a third (Jack) passes a praxis seizure on that prince's title? : Is the title simply given to Jack's vampire (since the contested vampires : aren't in the game)? Yes. : Or does the title become contested also? Only when Joel or Neil give up contesting the Prince. Then you will have two vampires with the same Prince title, and then the title becomes contested.

Brian Wilson

On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Peter M Deglopper wrote: > Questioner: I don't have to tell you that. Read the card. You must > answer truthfully, and if the question pertains to the future, as this > one does, you must abide by your answer if possible. Is it a yes-or-no > question? Yes, it is. So you have to answer it. There is no way for me to answer that question truthfully, and, although you admit that it would be incredibly cheesy to try this in a game (which it certainly would), you would *not* get a yes or no answer out of me on this one. I would say, "I don't know - could you rephrase the question?," as many times as you might care to ask it. Eventually you would tire of this charade and ask a real question.