Qualifying or not qualifying ? (LSJ ?)

Good evening all you Kindreds =) I've got a question about the last EC qualifier before the EC. Why can the already qualified players play at the qualifier the day before EC ? I'm a qualified player, and since the ten best ranked players will be qualified in this tourney, if I'm in this list, I will steal a qualified place to another player, right ? Why can it be possible ? Let's leave a chance to the non-yet qualified players that will attend to the last chance qualifying tourney !! I think I will NOT attend this tourney, just to confirm what I say... And could we organize a non-sanctioned tourney with the already qualified players ? In order to rest our mind before the great day ? Any idea about that ? Is it the same overseas, in US and Canada ? LSJ ? Stéphane, Prince of Paris ? EC organizers ? François Alix

> Why can it be possible ? Let's leave a chance to the non-yet qualified > players that will attend to the last chance qualifying tourney !! > I think I will NOT attend this tourney, just to confirm what I say... > And could we organize a non-sanctioned tourney with the already > qualified players ? In order to rest our mind before the great day ? > > Any idea about that ? Is it the same overseas, in US and Canada ? > LSJ ? Stéphane, Prince of Paris ? EC organizers ? > > François Alix Same already happened in Germany : It is apart from a qualifier also a santioned tournament : The best wins. If for one reason or another, players can't qualify because of the already qualified players taking their place that would mean that their deck wasn't good enough. The same could have happened if those players weren't qualified... It is a matter of having a good deck and playing good that day.... But : what if the organizers in Paris give players who are NOT qualified a chance before already qualified players and if there are still places free, then the qualified players can also participate, then that problem would be solved, no? , I for instance would do such a thing....but is it legal ? I don't know if you can exclude people just for that reason : being qualified ??? Indeed comment on this from Carl, LSJ, Robert , Steve and co could be required here.... greetings and see you all in Paris, Steven Van Haezevelde Prince Of Antwerp

"Francois Alix" <al...@club-internet.fr> wrote in message news:b9f814b6.01080...@posting.google.com... > Good evening all you Kindreds =) > > I've got a question about the last EC qualifier before the EC. > Why can the already qualified players play at the qualifier the day > before EC ? Because the qualifier is an open tournament. > I'm a qualified player, and since the ten best ranked players will be > qualified in this tourney, if I'm in this list, I will steal a > qualified place to another player, right ? > Why can it be possible ? Let's leave a chance to the non-yet qualified > players that will attend to the last chance qualifying tourney !! > I think I will NOT attend this tourney, just to confirm what I say... > And could we organize a non-sanctioned tourney with the already > qualified players ? In order to rest our mind before the great day ? With the current system, all qualifiers are on even footing. If you start banning already-qualified players, then the qualifiers get progressively easier. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Francois Alix" <al...@club-internet.fr> wrote in message news:b9f814b6.01080...@posting.google.com... > Good evening all you Kindreds =) > > I've got a question about the last EC qualifier before the EC. > Why can the already qualified players play at the qualifier the day > before EC ? Because all the other qualifiers were open to everyone. > I'm a qualified player, and since the ten best ranked players will be > qualified in this tourney, if I'm in this list, I will steal a > qualified place to another player, right ? > Why can it be possible ? Let's leave a chance to the non-yet qualified > players that will attend to the last chance qualifying tourney !! > I think I will NOT attend this tourney, just to confirm what I say... > And could we organize a non-sanctioned tourney with the already > qualified players ? In order to rest our mind before the great day ? > But I think the already qualified players won't play with their 'best' deck, they'll save that for the next day. I for one will probably play some kind of trick deck that probably won't win me a place in the finals but is fun to play/watch in action. Not that it can't get VP's, but I'm not looking to 'steal' a EC place from some-one. Besides, it's a great opportunity to check on the opposition, who will probably do everything to throw everyone off guard for the next day. Metagaming in the extreme! ;-) Jeroen, hoping to make it through a Saturday night in Paris and still be able to play VTES the next morning.

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:9kedkl$427oh$7...@ID-99714.news.dfncis.de... > "Francois Alix" <al...@club-internet.fr> wrote in message > news:b9f814b6.01080...@posting.google.com... [snip Francois text] > With the current system, all qualifiers are on even footing. > If you start banning already-qualified players, then the > qualifiers get progressively easier. Having just finished GenCon, I'm not sure this is as true in reality as it seemed to be on paper. I'd be willing to bet that the GenCon qualifier Friday was as large (or larger) than any other qualifier yet, and it took, what, 8 VP to make 'top 5'? In contrast, Origins had 28 players, and it took 6 VP to make the 'top 5'. I'm guessing the difference was the fact that MOST of the best American players showed up at GenCon for the obvious reason, which means MOST of the best American players were there at GenCon, on Friday, *without another alternative to playing in the final qualifier*. (I know that LSJ or someone had stated that there would be an alternative, non-sanctioned tournament, but, for whatever reason, it didn't happen.) My suggestion, FWIW: have another sanctioned tournament at the same time as the final qualifier on Friday, and ASK the already qualified players to play in that tournament instead of the final qualifier. Then you can actually sanction it (i.e. ratings) since you aren't "restricting" it in some fashion. The biggest complaint I heard from players already qualified who were playing in the final qualifier was that there wasn't another "rated" tournament for them to play in on Friday. The biggest complaint I heard from players not yet qualified who were playing in the final qualifier AGAINST players already qualified was the "I don't really care what happens in this game" attitude. An already qualified player at one of my tables Friday actually said this out loud on turn 2. <sigh> > -- > LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. > Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ > Kevin M., Prince of Madison, WI (remove PLEASENOSPAMME for direct reply) "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, _The_Art_of_War_ "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier