Q: Charnas the imp

Can I play Charnas over the Beast,the leather jacket, I think that not because the text says that. thanks Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

corr...@my-deja.com wrote: > > Can I play Charnas over the Beast,the leather jacket, I think that not > because the text says that. ? I don't see how the Leather Jacket fits into the question. Beast, Leatherface of Detroit cannot have retainers at all, by any means. [RTR 23-JUN-1998] -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp

>> Can I play Charnas over the Beast,the leather jacket, I think that not >> because the text says that. > >? >I don't see how the Leather Jacket fits into the question. > >Beast, Leatherface of Detroit cannot have retainers at all, by any means. >[RTR 23-JUN-1998] Quick question. One of the cards (Seeds of Corruption methinks) makes it so that the afflicted vampire "cannot use their special ability." Does this apply to all card text, or are both "good" and "bad" abilities affected? Beast's D attack is obviously a "special ability" but how about his incapacity to use equipment/retainers? And if it is considered a special ability, Beast could then use equipment/retainers while affected by Seeds, right? Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: > >Beast, Leatherface of Detroit cannot have retainers at all, by any means. > >[RTR 23-JUN-1998] > > Quick question. One of the cards (Seeds of Corruption methinks) makes it so > that the afflicted vampire "cannot use their special ability." Does this apply > to all card text, or are both "good" and "bad" abilities affected? Beast's D > attack is obviously a "special ability" but how about his incapacity to use > equipment/retainers? And if it is considered a special ability, Beast could > then use equipment/retainers while affected by Seeds, right? Seeds of Corruption [AH] - Action (tha) (2) * "Special ability" includes all non-sect, non-title text. (note that this only means that the affected vampire cannot do anything that he is allowed to do only by special ability - not that he can now overcome some special restriction. Assamites still cannot commit diablerie, for example) [LSJ 19970801] [ quoted text not captured ]

On 30 Nov 1999, Halcyan 2 wrote: > Quick question. One of the cards (Seeds of Corruption methinks) makes it so > that the afflicted vampire "cannot use their special ability." Does this apply > to all card text, or are both "good" and "bad" abilities affected? Beast's D > attack is obviously a "special ability" but how about his incapacity to use > equipment/retainers? And if it is considered a special ability, Beast could > then use equipment/retainers while affected by Seeds, right? It was ruled that special disadvantages did not get affected by Seeds. Unfortunately, since many people are now finding ways to make those special disadvantages do real work for them (e.g. Uriah Winter, Trojan Horse), the boundaries between an advantage and a disadvantage become somewhat more muddied than they were before. -- James Coupe

[ quoted text not captured ] The ruling makes no distinction between "advantage" and "disadvantage". (The distinction is between added abilities/effects and prohibited abilities/effects.) Seeds makes it impossible for the affected vampire to "use" his "special ability". Disallowing the use is different than allowing the disregard of a prohibitive "special ability". If the vamp can't do something (by rules, by "special text", or by external effect), then Seeds doesn't magically grant him the ability to do it. If the vamp can do something, but only by way of his special ability, then he cannot do that, since Seeds prohibits the "use" of the special ability. Uriah wouldn't defect, since that would be "using" the special ability. [ quoted text not captured ]