[LSJ] Ira Rivers and Telepathic Vote Counting

I have a question regarding the Toreador prince Ira Rivers with the special ability (stated from card text) : When Ira plays a card requiring Auspex , you may draw an additional card from your library (discard down to your hand size afterwards). What happens if Ira successfully calls a referendum (action wise successfull) and plays a Telepathic Vote Counting ? The TVC cannot be replaced but can I draw an additional card ? Or is that after the referendum ? johannes walch v:ekn germany http://www.vekn.de

"Johannes Walch" <johanne...@vekn.de> wrote in message news:<b7u23q$gdt$1...@stu1id2.ip.tesion.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] IANLSJ :( But I would think that since the ability doesn't say that you should draw the additional card when you replace, you get to draw one card and then discard down to your hand size (which is one smaller since cards you don't replace counts towards your handsize). But I'm not too sure.

"Johannes Walch" <johanne...@vekn.de> wrote in message news:<b7u23q$gdt$1...@stu1id2.ip.tesion.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] From the rulebook: Important: No Methuselahs draw to replace cards during a referendum. After the referendum, each Methuselah draws back up to her hand size (as necessary). I would say you may draw the additional card immediately (since it does not have anything to do with replacing the card, but is an effect that comes from the playing of the auspex card), and then discard one card if you chose to draw one, down to your handsize again (counting the not yet replaced card/cards, of course). Michael

> > What happens if Ira successfully calls a referendum (action wise > > successfull) and plays a Telepathic Vote Counting ? The TVC cannot be > > replaced but can I draw an additional card ? Or is that after the referendum > > ? > I would think that since the ability doesn't say that you should > draw the additional card when you replace, you get to draw one card > and then discard down to your hand size (which is one smaller since > cards you don't replace counts towards your handsize). > > But I'm not too sure. This question was asked before and from my memory LSJ said that you would use Ira's special ability when you actually DO replace the card. So after the referendum instead of drawing 1 card to replace the TCV, you would draw 2 cards to replace and then discard 1 as per Ira's special. Of course I could be wrong....

henrik ericsson wrote: > "Johannes Walch" <johanne...@vekn.de> wrote in message news:<b7u23q$gdt$1...@stu1id2.ip.tesion.net>... >>When Ira plays a card requiring Auspex , you may draw an additional card >>from your library (discard down to your hand size afterwards). >> >>What happens if Ira successfully calls a referendum (action wise >>successfull) and plays a Telepathic Vote Counting ? The TVC cannot be >>replaced but can I draw an additional card ? Or is that after the referendum >>? > IANLSJ :( > > But I would think that since the ability doesn't say that you should > draw the additional card when you replace, you get to draw one card > and then discard down to your hand size (which is one smaller since > cards you don't replace counts towards your handsize). Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/