First Tradition vs Last Stand

Hello :) Here comes today's stupid question: Some Methuselah played a Last Stand. And some other played a First Tradition, and both are still in play. My prey has 2 pool, and will likely not survive another turn of play (let's say I'm the only one left with ready minions). She decides to die paying for the First Tradition. Is Last Stand burned? The point is that Last Stand's "current turn" does not exist. cardtexts : First Tradition: The Masquerade [Jyhad:R2, VTES:R, CE:R] First Tradition: The Masquerade, The Cardtype: Political Action <Requires a> prince or justicar. If this referendum is successful, put this card in play. While in play, each Methuselah must skip his or her turn or burn 2 pool. Burn this card when you have either skipped 3 turns or paid 6 pool in cumulative penalties. Last Stand [BH:R] Cardtype: Master Cost: 6 pool Unique master. Put this card in play. When any other Methuselah is ousted, the current turn ends, and this card is burned. The predator of the ousted Methuselah (if more than one was ousted, go clockwise from the left of the Methuselah whose turn just ended) takes the next turn.

floppyzedolfin ha scritto: > Hello :) > > Here comes today's stupid question: > Some Methuselah played a Last Stand. And some other played a First > Tradition, and both are still in play. > > My prey has 2 pool, and will likely not survive another turn of play > (let's say I'm the only one left with ready minions). She decides to > die paying for the First Tradition. > > Is Last Stand burned? > The point is that Last Stand's "current turn" does not exist. IANLSJ, but I would say that, given that he paid the 2 pool, he decided not to skip his turn. Therefore the "current turn" exists and he gets ousted in it, hence Last Stand kicks in. Emiliano

[ quoted text not captured ] No current turn exists at the time of the ousting, but that doesn't prevent the rest of the effect: This card (Last Stand) is burned. The predator of the ousted Methuselah (floppyzedolphin in this case) takes the next turn.

[ quoted text not captured ] Hmmm... isn't that what I wrote? I admit "kicks in" was a bit ambiguous... ;-)

[ quoted text not captured ] You wrote: The "current turn" exists. I wrote: No current turn exists. Other than that, yes.

[ quoted text not captured ] Aaaah, of course. Now I understand, thanks! Emiliano

<Caution : Stepping on the dark paths within my head> Be prepared. My prey has 1 pool. My grand predator has 1 pool. We are still 5 at this table. First Tradition and Last Stand are in play. I skipped my turn. My prey decides not to skip her turn, so she burns 2 pool. My predator plays Life Boon, for 1, on my prey. Both my predator and my prey are ousted when it is no-one's turn. Last Stand burns, as it has been explained. (I might be wrong here, I expect both Methuselah to be ousted at the same time.) Case A - My grand predator had payed the 2 pool tax, but not my grand prey. Who gets the next turn? I'd say my grand predator (and actual predator). Case B - My grand prey did pay the tax, but not my grand predator. Who gets the next turn? I'd say my grand prey (and actual prey). [The point, this time, is to know whose turn just ended.] I'm sure there could be more complicated cases. But I'll keep my questions to likely to happen examples :-)

In message <aa617cbf-34c4-49f8...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups .com>, floppyzedolfin <floppyz...@gmail.com> writes: >My prey has 1 pool. My grand predator has 1 pool. We are still 5 at >this table. First Tradition and Last Stand are in play. >I skipped my turn. My prey decides not to skip her turn, so she burns >2 pool. My predator plays Life Boon, for 1, on my prey. > >Both my predator and my prey are ousted when it is no-one's turn. The rulebook suggests Life Boon wouldn't be playable. Out-of-turn masters aren't played when it's "not your turn" (and hence "no-one's turn" is "not your turn"). Instead, they're played "during other players' turns" (1.6.2). 1.6.2.4: "You may play an out-of-turn master card whenever appropriate during another player's turn." Glossary: "Out-of-Turn Master Card: A type of master card that can only be played during another player's turn, using the next master phase action of the player playing it." -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

James Coupe wrote: > In message <aa617cbf-34c4-49f8...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups > ..com>, floppyzedolfin <floppyz...@gmail.com> writes: >> My prey has 1 pool. My grand predator has 1 pool. We are still 5 at >> this table. First Tradition and Last Stand are in play. >> I skipped my turn. My prey decides not to skip her turn, so she burns >> 2 pool. My predator plays Life Boon, for 1, on my prey. >> >> Both my predator and my prey are ousted when it is no-one's turn. > > The rulebook suggests Life Boon wouldn't be playable. Out-of-turn > masters aren't played when it's "not your turn" (and hence "no-one's > turn" is "not your turn"). Instead, they're played "during other > players' turns" (1.6.2). > > 1.6.2.4: "You may play an out-of-turn master card whenever appropriate > during another player's turn." > > Glossary: "Out-of-Turn Master Card: A type of master card that can only > be played during another player's turn, using the next master phase > action of the player playing it." True enough. Other illegal activities in the set-up: 1) Prey with 1 pool cannot burn 2 pool to take her turn. She must skip. 2) Life Boon cannot be played for 1 when the target needs more than 1 to remain in the game. Card text: "Give pool to a Methuselah with no pool to keep him or her in the game..."