Oxford University

I think i'll start a list of silly/overrated cards that should be revised someday. I mean, when Sabbat and SW appeared, i had the cute sensation that the power level of mostly all clans/disciplines raised considerably. Then I bought a Dark Sovereign box and humbled about so many cards to be useless, or even suicidal. I mean, Oxford Univessity (Brujah location, 2 pool. Tap and burn 2X pool to get X votes during a referendum. Can be burned as a D action) or Ruins, Belgium(burn X blood BEFORE range is choosen to get X maneuver in that combat) and so. Most of this cards look like interesting at first, though then somenone decided to cut them down to wallpaper. Anyway, this game had had sensible game changes that made some of the less used cards become to be rediscovered (Cryptic Mission, Night Moves or Movement of the Slow Body come to my mind). Will there be in a near future an Aid From Bats-based deck?? I won't bet against, you'll never know... Yes, I was trying to build up a Brujah Political-Bruise deck, and I'm sure it will not be too successfull. Sunbeam

-- "Tom Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:9ajvam$kv3$1...@talia.mad.ttd.net... > I think i'll start a list of silly/overrated cards that should be revised > someday. I mean, when Sabbat and SW appeared, i had the cute sensation that > the power level of mostly all clans/disciplines raised considerably. Then I > bought a Dark Sovereign box and humbled about so many cards to be useless, > or even suicidal. > > I mean, Oxford Univessity (Brujah location, 2 pool. Tap and burn 2X pool to > get X votes during a referendum. Can be burned as a D action) or Ruins, > Belgium(burn X blood BEFORE range is choosen to get X maneuver in that > combat) and so. Most of this cards look like interesting at first, though > then somenone decided to cut them down to wallpaper. Grand Temple of Set (ugh), Of Noble Blood, Conflict of Interests and Tara, The Hollow One to name a few more. > > Anyway, this game had had sensible game changes that made some of the less > used cards become to be rediscovered (Cryptic Mission, Night Moves or > Movement of the Slow Body come to my mind). Will there be in a near future > an Aid From Bats-based deck?? I won't bet against, you'll never know... They've existed for a long time and they work really great, especielly couples with Cariron Crows. I love to play them =) [ quoted text not captured ]

>> >> I mean, Oxford Univessity (Brujah location, 2 pool. Tap and burn 2X pool >to >> get X votes during a referendum. Can be burned as a D action) or Ruins, >> Belgium(burn X blood BEFORE range is choosen to get X maneuver in that >> combat) and so. Most of this cards look like interesting at first, though >> then somenone decided to cut them down to wallpaper. > >Grand Temple of Set (ugh), Of Noble Blood, Conflict of Interests and Tara, >The Hollow One to name a few more. > Eyes of the Dead, Mercy for the Weak, Chainsaw, Code of Milan Suspended, Rex, the Necronomist, Pere Lachaise, France are a few I would like to nominate...

In article <9aks0b$sru$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Henke <d98...@stud.hh.se> wrote: >Eyes of the Dead, Mercy for the Weak, Chainsaw, Code of Milan Suspended, >Rex, the Necronomist, Pere Lachaise, France are a few I would like to >nominate... I use Mercy for the Weak in Malkavian decks all the time. An excellent weenie-rush-foiler coupled with Swallowed by the Night's maneuver. gomi

"Tom Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote > an Aid From Bats-based deck?? I won't bet against, you'll never know... I altered my weenie Animalism deck so that Aid From Bats is the main card (based on suggestions from newsgroupies). It works quite well... I'll post the new deck composition for you if you'd like. Cheers, WES

-- "Gomi no Sensei" <go...@grace.speakeasy.org> wrote in message news:9aku9g$d3d$1...@grace.speakeasy.org... [ quoted text not captured ] If you wanna foil weenie rush, why not use obedience? MFtW is really expensive.....

[ quoted text not captured ] It also serves the somewhat ridiculous purpose of GIVING a blood to an Anathema'd vampire so that you can actually "reduce" it to zero blood again, in combat, as is required by the card text. But, if a guy gets to zero blood and you need to burn him before anyone else does (Like, you already got the Haven on him) there really aren't many other ways to *give* a vampire one blood. (Leonardo is one, but even *I* won't propose a Giovanni Anathema deck. =) -- Pat Ricochet Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

In article <9al11u$5fp$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Roger Carhult <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: >If you wanna foil weenie rush, why not use obedience? MFtW is really >expensive..... Obedience is very expensive, moreso than MftW in many situations. It requires an untapped vampire older than the rushing vampire that is either the target of the rush or can block it. This is a lot harder to come by in a stealth/bleed deck than 2 blood. gomi -- Individually, I love you all with affection unspeakable; but, collectively, I look upon you with a disgust that amounts to absolute detestation. - Gilbert and Sullivan, 'Pirates of Penzance'

-- "Gomi no Sensei" <go...@best.com> wrote in message news:9am2cd$2qgr$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com... > In article <9al11u$5fp$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, > Roger Carhult <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote: > > >If you wanna foil weenie rush, why not use obedience? MFtW is really > >expensive..... > > Obedience is very expensive, moreso than MftW in many situations. > It requires an untapped vampire older than the rushing vampire that > is either the target of the rush or can block it. This is a lot harder > to come by in a stealth/bleed deck than 2 blood. > > gomi But you also have to have more blood than the victim..which makes it hard to use many times with the same guy.

> > Obedience is very expensive, moreso than MftW in many situations. > > It requires an untapped vampire older than the rushing vampire that > > is either the target of the rush or can block it. This is a lot harder > > to come by in a stealth/bleed deck than 2 blood. > > > > gomi > > But you also have to have more blood than the victim..which makes it hard to > use many times with the same guy. And remember that in SW the use of Obedience has changed. You don't need to intercept someones rush to play obedience. You just need to be untapped or to be able to react somehow. Also, playing MftW against a weenie is worst. One of the main drawbacks of a weenie rush deck is the blood cost of their cards. So giving them blood simply helps them at some range. Even though, you can play Deer Rifles+Disguised weapons on a Malk Deck. Those Two manenuvers helps you a lot against mosltly all the decks.

Tom Mad&Co wrote: > And remember that in SW the use of Obedience has changed. You don't need to > intercept someones rush to play obedience. You just need to be untapped or > to be able to react somehow. That's not a change - Obedience has always functioned that way. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/