Ethan Locke Clan Impersonated into a Kiasyd...

Ethan Locke, as a Kiasyd, does his action thing to steal a master discipline card off of someone else, and he says that he'll be using the grandest trick for the duration of that combat. So... What's up? Can he take the action? Can he gain the discipline card (cause birthday cards say "Put this card on a vampire"). What happens if allies wind up with discipline cards? Vague question, I know, but I want to see if anyone knows a way to do it (just for shits and giggles). ~SV

vermillian wrote: > Ethan Locke, as a Kiasyd, does his action thing to steal a master > discipline card off of someone else, and he says that he'll be using > the grandest trick for the duration of that [action]. > > So... What's up? Can he take the action? Can he gain the discipline > card (cause birthday cards say "Put this card on a vampire"). Good question. It seems that it would work, except for an old RTR ruling to handle the ruling that allowed formerly "Kindred Only" retainers to be employed by allies. That addendum ruling will serve nicely here: The following are "clearly" vampire-only: effects that burn or gain blood, effects that grant or remove disciplines (or clan or sect status, for that matter) effects that alter capacity, and/or effects that grant or remove titles or votes. [RTR 05-JAN-1999] So the action to move a Discipline card to the acting minion is an action that requires a vampire (and thus cannot be Grandest Tricked). > What happens if allies wind up with discipline cards? Vague question, > I know, but I want to see if anyone knows a way to do it (just for Nothing (card text). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E0B09D3...@white-wolf.com>... > vermillian wrote: > > Ethan Locke, as a Kiasyd, does his action thing to steal a master > > discipline card off of someone else, and he says that he'll be using > > the grandest trick for the duration of that [action]. > > > > So... What's up? Can he take the action? Can he gain the discipline > > card (cause birthday cards say "Put this card on a vampire"). > > Good question. > It seems that it would work, except for an old RTR ruling to handle > the ruling that allowed formerly "Kindred Only" retainers to be > employed by allies. That addendum ruling will serve nicely here: > > The following are "clearly" vampire-only: effects that burn > or gain blood, effects that grant or remove disciplines (or > clan or sect status, for that matter) effects that alter > capacity, and/or effects that grant or remove titles or votes. > [RTR 05-JAN-1999] Herald, Charming Lobby, Banishment on a vampire with a skill card? (that is, does this count as an effect that will alter one's capacity) BTW I'm glad to have generated a 'good question'. I thought it would have worked, but it WAS bugging me for some reason... ~SV

vermillian wrote: > Herald, Charming Lobby, Banishment on a vampire with a skill card? > (that is, does this count as an effect that will alter one's capacity) The Herald is free to Charming Lobby a Banishment "as a vampire". It doesn't alter capacity, but even if it did, the Herald is Lobbying "as a vampire", and capaciy-altering is not outside the purview of "as a vampire". [ quoted text not captured ]