Hi all,
1)Elimelech the Twice-Damned is equipped with Ivory bow and in combat
declares his strike:"Ivory bow with first strike" and opossing vampire
plays Canine horde at superior. Does Cannine horde destroys Ivory bow?
Does it matter who is acting minion?
2) Elimelech is equipped with Ivory bow and Enkil cog, acts in other
players turn and is blocked by vampire B. He declares his
strike:"Ivory bow with first strike / Rotschreck" and vampire B plays
Canine horde at superior. What happens, can Cannine horde destroy
Ivory bow before Rotschreck takes effect? Again,does it matter who is
acting minion?
Elimelech the Twice-Damned
Clan: Ventrue antitribu (group 5)
Capacity: 11
Disciplines: AUS DEM DOM FOR OBF pro
Sabbat. Black Hand. Seraph: Elimelech strikes with first strike. +1
bleed. +1 strength.
Rotschreck
Type: Master
Master: out-of-turn. Frenzy.
Put this card on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict
aggravated damage on him or her, whether the damage would be
successfully inflicted or not. Combat ends. This vampire is tapped and
sent to torpor. This vampire does not untap as normal. During this
vampire's next untap phase, burn this card.
Canine Horde
Type: Combat
Requires: Animalism
[ani] Strike: 1R damage.
[ANI] Strike: ranged; destroy equipment with first strike.
Ivory Bow
Type: Equipment
Cost: 1 pool
Unique weapon.
Strike: 1R aggravated damage.
> 1)Elimelech the Twice-Damned is equipped with Ivory bow and in combat
> declares his strike:"Ivory bow with first strike" and opossing vampire
> plays Canine horde at superior. Does Cannine horde destroys Ivory bow?
> Does it matter who is acting minion?
Both strikes occur simultaneously.
> 2) Elimelech is equipped with Ivory bow and Enkil cog, acts in other
> players turn and is blocked by vampire B. He declares his
> strike:"Ivory bow with first strike / Rotschreck" and vampire B plays
> Canine horde at superior. What happens, can Cannine horde destroy
> Ivory bow before Rotschreck takes effect? Again,does it matter who is
> acting minion?
Rotschreck ends combat immediately, before either strike resolves. So
the Bow is not burned by the non-resolving Canine Horde, in the same
way as when striking with a Gun + DBR and playing Rotschreck the gun
doesn't burn.
-- J
On May 25, 1:28 pm, J <grai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 1)Elimelech the Twice-Damned is equipped with Ivory bow and in combat
> > declares his strike:"Ivory bow with first strike" and opossing vampire
> > plays Canine horde at superior. Does Cannine horde destroys Ivory bow?
> > Does it matter who is acting minion?
>
> Both strikes occur simultaneously.
I don't understand. So Ivory bow makes aggravated damage and is
destroyed at the same time?
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On May 25, 11:16 am, Mirko Marinkovic <edger2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 25, 1:28 pm, J <grai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 1)Elimelech the Twice-Damned is equipped with Ivory bow and in combat
> > > declares his strike:"Ivory bow with first strike" and opossing vampire
> > > plays Canine horde at superior. Does Cannine horde destroys Ivory bow?
> > > Does it matter who is acting minion?
>
> > Both strikes occur simultaneously.
>
> I don't understand. So Ivory bow makes aggravated damage and is
> destroyed at the same time?
Correct.
On May 25, 4:26 am, Mirko Marinkovic <edger2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> 1)Elimelech the Twice-Damned is equipped with Ivory bow and in combat
> declares his strike:"Ivory bow with first strike" and opossing vampire
> plays Canine horde at superior. Does Cannine horde destroys Ivory bow?
> Does it matter who is acting minion?
Since both strikes are at First Strike, they resolve at the same time.
If Elimelech did the same thing against someone playing Shattering
Blow at inferior(strike: destroy equipment), he would inflict the agg
before his opponent's strike took effect. If there is no first strike
involved, dorkus 1 strikes with the bow without first strike against
dorkus 2's shattering blow at pot, the bow is destroyed and dorkus 2
takes 1 agg.
First strike > not First Strike
First strike = First Strike
One good thing to note is that First Strike < Dodge, prevent, S:CE,
making it pretty crappy most of the time.
> 2) Elimelech is equipped with Ivory bow and Enkil cog, acts in other
> players turn and is blocked by vampire B. He declares his
> strike:"Ivory bow with first strike / Rotschreck" and vampire B plays
> Canine horde at superior. What happens, can Cannine horde destroy
> Ivory bow before Rotschreck takes effect? Again,does it matter who is
> acting minion?
Rotschreck takes place before strikes are resolved. It's like
Elimelech says " I've got a bow!" and the opposing minion says "Oh,
shit!" and runs away to torpor. Psyche and Telepathic Tracking
complicate this, but you get the idea.
Brandon