Self-rescue from torpor + block + slave mechanic

Hello LSJ, I control Ian Forestal, a Tremere Antitribu, in torpor, and a ready Tupdog, a Tremere Anti slave. If Ian tries to rescue himself, and gets blocked, may I tap the Tupdog to prevent Ian from getting diablerized? If yes, may I require the blocking vampire's controller to declare whether or not the blocking vampire will actually diablerize, before I decide to jump in with the slave? Thanks, Ira

[ quoted text not captured ] ianlsj, nor really great at guessing, but i want to try this one: #1 (from 11. special terms:) Slave: Some minions are identified as slaves to a specified clan. A slave cannot take a directed action if his controller doesn't control a ready member of the specified clan. Also, if a member of the specified clan controlled by the same Methuselah is blocked, the controller can tap the slave to cancel the combat and to untap the acting vampire and have the slave enter combat with the blocking minion instead. #2 6.5.2. Leave Torpor Action (+1 stealth) This action is the only one a vampire in torpor can take (unless a card has explicit text saying otherwise). The cardless action costs 2 blood. (Card versions of this action cost whatever the card costs.)" To have a vampire in torpor attempt to leave torpor, announce the action and tap the acting vampire. If the action is successful, the acting vampire pays the cost (2 blood) and moves from the torpor region to the ready region. If this action is blocked, there is no combat (vampires in torpor cannot enter combat). Instead, if the blocker is a vampire, he gets the opportunity to diablerize the acting vampire (see Diablerie, sec. 6.5.5). If he chooses not to, or if he is an ally, then the action simply fails (the acting vampire remains in torpor, and no cost is paid). This action has a default +1 stealth. There are the rules involved. So my thought is that "if a member of the specified clan controlled by the same Methuselah is blocked, the controller can tap the slave to cancel the combat" is precluded by "If this action is blocked, there is no combat." (now, just the waiting to find out what the real reasoning is...) john, not lsmft.

ira...@gmail.com wrote: > Hello LSJ, > > I control Ian Forestal, a Tremere Antitribu, in torpor, and a ready > Tupdog, a Tremere Anti slave. > > If Ian tries to rescue himself, and gets blocked, may I tap the Tupdog > to prevent Ian from getting diablerized? Yes. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/52231ead130f0cd1 > If yes, may I require the blocking vampire's controller to declare > whether or not the blocking vampire will actually diablerize, before I > decide to jump in with the slave? No. You invoke the slave rule when you declare that you're blocked.

On Feb 3, 5:26 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > ira...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hello LSJ, > > > I control Ian Forestal, a Tremere Antitribu, in torpor, and a ready > > Tupdog, a Tremere Anti slave. > > > If Ian tries to rescue himself, and gets blocked, may I tap the Tupdog > > to prevent Ian from getting diablerized? > > Yes.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/5223... > > > If yes, may I require the blocking vampire's controller to declare > > whether or not the blocking vampire will actually diablerize, before I > > decide to jump in with the slave? > > No. You invoke the slave rule when you declare that you're blocked. Thanks for the Sunday answer. Sorry I didn't find the previous answer. I searched only for "slave diablerie". Ira, bad searcher