Inceptor - how would you use it?

TEXT: Inceptor [Promo-20090401] Cardtype: Master Unique master. Put this card on a vampire of capacity 1, and put three cards from your hand, ash heap or library on this card, face up but out of play. This vampire may play other copies of these cards as if he or she had the Discipline required (if any) at superior. Artist: Brian LeBlanc Seems like a very interesting card. But the possibilities are so broad, what would you do with it? best - chris

On Jan 18, 12:42 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Seems like a very interesting card. But the possibilities > are so broad, what would you do with it? I haven't tried this, because I don't muck around with anarch decks much, but it seems like it could be a good card to throw a copy or two of into decks that use a bunch of Anarch Converts. If you throw an Inceptor on a Convert and put three three-way anarch cards on him, suddenly you've got a guy who can play nine different effects from your cards. Not anything to build a deck around, but it seems like it might be a reasonable use for the card. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] > Well, now that's the question. The card text says (copied below) says play the card as if she had the discipline required (if any) at superior. Three-way anarch cards don't have a superior version. I'm assuming however, that "(if any) at superior" means that it will also allow you to play the inferior version of the card. If it does work as you propose, here's my list of 3 cards: Diversion. CrimeThinc. Hell-for-Leather? best - chris [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] I tried using it with Bloodlines discipline cards, but many of those are too blood-costly for a 1-cap to effectively play. Or just suck. Obeah seemed interesting though. having a 1-cap playing Spirit Marionette, Repulsion, and Anesthetic Touch would be pretty cool. or even using its 1 blood on Renewed Vigor to fill up Saulot is worth it. use it in a Daughters deck to have one more minion who can play Choir or Siren's Lure?

[ quoted text not captured ] > or Siren's Lure?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - put ,renewd vigor, repulsion and lost in crowds on it. :)

One could also put worthless (unique) masters and/or events on it in order to thin a deck :)

Inceptor is a good option for anarch decks, given the "Anarch convert" überness. I personnaly use it in my Osebo Wall. I put it on a Bamba and name Eagle's sight, thrown gate and (optional) eyes of Argus/Telepathic Misdirection, depending the game state and metagame.

On Jan 18, 7:17 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Well, now that's the question. The card text says (copied > below) says play the card as if she had the discipline > required (if any) at superior. Three-way anarch cards don't > have a superior version. I'm assuming however, that "(if > any) at superior" means that it will also allow you to play > the inferior version of the card. Having a discipline at superior means you can use both levels of the discipline, it's no different for the cards chosen for Inceptor than for any other cards. So anarch cards can be used.

[ quoted text not captured ] Any card can be put on Inceptor, even ones not playable at all by the vampire with Inceptor. However, if a card on Inceptor required two seperate disciplines at once to use (e.g. Charismatic Aura), can the vampire play it from your hand?

On Jan 18, 1:17 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Well, now that's the question. The card text says (copied > below) says play the card as if she had the discipline > required (if any) at superior. Three-way anarch cards don't > have a superior version. You've just lit upon the Tru Power of Inceptorz: It allows you to play anarch three-ways at superior, which nothing else in the game does. How tough are you now, Parity Shift? > I'm assuming however, that "(if > any) at superior" means that it will also allow you to play > the inferior version of the card. Yeah, as far as I know, you can play them at inferior if you can play them at superior. Otherwise big vampires would have a whole lot more discipline symbols on their crypt cards, because they'd need to show both basic and superior levels of the disciplines they've got at superior. John Eno

On Jan 18, 6:09 am, Mathieu Rivero <riveromath...@googlemail.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Eagle Sight, Thrown Gate and Cat;s Guidance would be pretty rad, lil dude just sits back and blocks things, throws a gate and then untaps!

On Jan 19, 1:09 am, Mathieu Rivero <riveromath...@googlemail.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Um Holy CRAP what a good idea. Bamba Speed Humps FTW

[ quoted text not captured ] LSJ, what is the ruling on this?

[ quoted text not captured ] The same as for Ian Forestal. You can't play cards requiring two disciplines "as if he or she had the Discipline required" if you don't have the other discipline.

How about Deep Song, Pursuit, Stunt cycle? Should make for a fairly effective 1-cap Hunter. Obviously u still need to continuously pull the 3 cards to exploit the combo. Also it's only one minion, & hard to get any others until u reach one at 5, then the next at 7. Maybe a better option is: Pursuit, Stunt cycle and Psyche or hell, just the standard cel-guns option: Pursuit, Psyche & ... um ... something, Flash or Side Strike i guess.

The answer to the rules questions can be found here(via a search of inceptor author:LSJ): http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/7b773deaa082134/3b8a2fd43c7985d1?lnk=gst&q=inceptor+author%3ALSJ#3b8a2fd43c7985d1 I hadn't noticed the part about anarch three-ways being usable. One big barrier to the use of Inceptor is it's uniqueness. I would go with one of two strategies: 1) Burn the minion with inceptor via Force of Will/Daring the Dawn to create new ones frequently 2) Play Inceptor casually (i.e. only 1-3 copies in a deck). I made a dom/PRO bleed deck featuring the original cast and crew, some dominate skill cards for vampires with only protean (Daliyah, Igo, Huang), and bleed assisting cards consisting of Govern, Threats, and Form of Mist for the one inceptor. Brandon

On Jan 19, 7:05 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com> wrote: > big barrier to the use of Inceptor is it's uniqueness. I would go with > one of two strategies: > 1) Burn the minion with inceptor via Force of Will/Daring the Dawn to > create new ones frequently > 2) Play Inceptor casually (i.e. only 1-3 copies in a deck). One of the big advantages of Inceptor is the speed at which you can use cards that would otherwise take turns of influencing out the correct vampires to use. I would have no hesitation at using 5 or 6 copies in 75 cards to ensure seeing one on turn 2. There are a few ways to make that work but Brotehrs Grimm is good and Nightmare upon Nightmares to flush your own hand has possibilities for gehenna event strategies that might be interesting. Carrion Crows/Apparition/Command the Beast would be irritating Horrid Form/Inner Essence/Carrion Crows is pretty fierce Spirit Marrionette/Repulsion/Mirror Walk isn't bad M.

On Jan 19, 3:13 am, Jeff Poole <Perrin...@hotmail.com> wrote: > ... > Eagle Sight, Thrown Gate and Cat;s Guidance would be pretty rad, lil > dude just sits back and blocks things, throws a gate and then untaps! Hmm, my response to this is: Lost in Crowds, Threats (or Conditioning) and Hide the Mind. Best Regards, Ralf ==================== http://extrala.blogspot.com

[ quoted text not captured ] Um, Kindred Spirits, Confusion and Cloak the Gathering ?

[ quoted text not captured ] undue influence, diversion, hell for leather. With Ian. Or play it on Tupdogs... Tupdogs with dominate and auspex or bad....

[ quoted text not captured ] Bum's Rush + Flash + Walk of Flame... Form of Mist + Wolf Claws + Hell-for-Leather... Speed of Thought + Flash + Sideslip...

[ quoted text not captured ] I just wouldn't use any cards that require any blood cost, since you are working with a 1-cap vamp. Another option - you can get really wacky and play Wormtwood. Or Mind of a Child! best - chris

> Another option - you can get really wacky and play > Wormtwood. Or Mind of a Child! Here's an idea, put inceptor on someone you are going to burn and use that to search cards from your library that you then recycle(i.e. Sudario Refraction) and play. Easy as pie. Brandon

[ quoted text not captured ] Hmm. How about in a Toreador deck? Create an embrace / 3rd Tradition, then Inceptor onto them Eagle Sight / Enhanced Senses, Staredown, and Flash. Or maybe a Brujah princes / debate deck? Weenies get I don't know, Intimidation, Grapple and Pursuit? It seems the only advantage this has over a skill card is that they can play three cards (of presumably different disciplines) at super, not just one. So you'd be looking for three disciplines, presumably. Putting one or two seems a waste.

On Jan 18, 4:42 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Hang on. Is there some way this can be used in a twister deck? Dumping three cards (four, including the Inceptor) out of your hands in your master phase seems pretty hot for a deck that wants its library depleted ASAP. What say the twister experts here?

[ quoted text not captured ] > Speed of Thought + Flash + Sideslip...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - kindred spirit + dawn operation + weather control

Sandra White. Indomitability. Death of the Drum. Choir or Siren's Lure, per game state. Don't forget the Amaranth.

Juggernaut1981 wrote: > On Jan 19, 1:09 am, Mathieu Rivero <riveromath...@googlemail.com> > wrote: >> Inceptor is a good option for anarch decks, given the "Anarch convert" >> �berness. >> >> I personnaly use it in my Osebo Wall. I put it on a Bamba and name >> Eagle's sight, thrown gate and (optional) eyes of Argus/Telepathic >> Misdirection, depending the game state and metagame. > > Um Holy CRAP what a good idea. Bamba Speed Humps FTW well you still need to be drawing in to other copies of those cards to play them. you don't just get to use the abilities as if he had played them. so i don't see it as all that shit-hot. but still good. -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)

On Jan 17, 9:42 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > TEXT: > Inceptor [Promo-20090401] > Cardtype: Master > Unique master. > Put this card on a vampire of capacity 1, and put three > cards from your hand, ash heap or library on this card, face > up but out of play. This vampire may play other copies of > these cards as if he or she had the Discipline required (if > any) at superior. > Artist: Brian LeBlanc > > Seems like a very interesting card. But the possibilities > are so broad, what would you do with it? > > best - > > chris likely one caps tumnimos- carrion crows, apparition, undead persistence waters of duat- temptation, lost in crowds, enticement anrach convert-diversion, hell for leather, lam into or crimthink or detect authority or undue influence If anarch three ways are even possible. I like the idea of a little buddy for Salubri. spirit marionette, repulsion, anesthetic touch I do wonder, just what the "(if any)" in the card text ofimplies, if anything. Does it mean, the inceptor meets requirements for any three cards or that you can put any three cards on it weather you can use them or not. could a non anarch use anarch cards does it allow a one cap to play Approximation of Loyalty etc... If Condemnation, lets say Mute was one of the three cards could s/he play it(non-infernal minion) Guess, I'll have to check for rulings. Matt

wedge <mat...@gmail.com> wrote: >likely one caps >tumnimos- carrion crows, apparition, undead persistence Very unlikely one cap. Card text of Tumnimos sets its capacity to 2. >anrach convert-diversion, hell for leather, lam into or crimthink or >detect authority or undue influence > If anarch three ways are even possible. They are and, by the ruling on Shadow Court Satyr, you can choose between them - assuming you meet any other requirements (such as Anarchy). >I do wonder, just what the "(if any)" in the card text ofimplies, if >anything. It states that you meet the discipline requirement if the card has one. You can also use disciplineless cards, however, or other cards. (e.g. a one cap Toreador could get Bum's Rush, Scorn of Adonis, and Pulled Fangs) It typically won't make much sense to do this, since the Inceptor will typically be able to play them anyway. >Does it mean, the inceptor meets requirements for any three cards or >that you can put any three cards on it weather you can use them or >not. No. "(if any)" simply means that the vampire meets the Discipline requirement if the card has one, but the card doesn't have to have one. If it helps, take it out and shove at the start of the sentence: "If a card requires a discipline, ..." See the same wording on Shadow Court Satyr. Nothing in card text gives the Inceptor vampire the ability to meet other requirements, such as clan, age, sect or titles. Obviously, they may meet such requirements natively, though. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

>>anrach convert-diversion, hell for leather, lam into or crimthink or >>detect authority or undue influence >> If anarch three ways are even possible. > > They are and, by the ruling on Shadow Court Satyr, you can choose > between them - assuming you meet any other requirements (such as > Anarchy). > If I put 2 copies of, say, read the winds on my inceptor, can I use one copy to fake auspex, the other copy to fake animalism, and have the inceptor play read the winds? (similarly, if a vampire has two infernal familiars, can he play dual-discipline cards? i think this has been answered but i can't find it). Also, if I put Keystone Kine on an inceptor, do i get to choose which discipline it gets played at each time I play it? What if I have 3 keystone Kines on my inceptor, can i play it at all three disciplines? [ quoted text not captured ]

Salem <kell...@hotmail.com> wrote: <order of paragraphs changed> >(similarly, if a vampire has two infernal familiars, can he play dual- >discipline cards? i think this has been answered but i can't find it). No. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3d4aa6e913ee7940 addresses this specifically. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/25071cd820b19994 covers it in the context of combining two cards (e.g. Bima + discipline card + Shroud of Absence). >Also, if I put Keystone Kine on an inceptor, do i get to choose which >discipline it gets played at each time I play it? Should be able to, per Shadow Court Satyr. You play your card at the Cel level, so Inceptor gives you Cel. You play it at the Nec level, so Inceptor gives you neck. >If I put 2 copies of, say, read the winds on my inceptor, can I use one >copy to fake auspex, the other copy to fake animalism, and have the >inceptor play read the winds? > >What if I have 3 keystone Kines on my inceptor, can i play it at all >three disciplines? Now, this is an interesting question. In the earlier rulings, it's combining two separate sources. This is mostly one source. We do know that such specials will function on dual-discipline cards if you have the other discipline natively. My inclination would be to say "yes", but IANALSJ. [ quoted text not captured ]

Dasein <dasei...@hotmail.com> writes: [ quoted text not captured ] Way, way inferior to Liquidation, which does not need a suitable minion, gives you three pool, and sends seven cards to your ash heap. Liquidation [Tenth:A/B] Master. Do not replace until your discard phase. Burn seven cards from the top of your library to gain 3 pool. HG

On 1 helmi, 11:56, h...@iki.fi (Janne Hägglund) wrote: > Dasein <dasein2...@hotmail.com> writes: > > Hang on. Is there some way this can be used in a twister deck? Dumping > > three cards (four, including the Inceptor) out of your hands in your > > master phase seems pretty hot for a deck that wants its library > > depleted ASAP. What say the twister experts here? > > Way, way inferior to Liquidation, which does not need a suitable minion, > gives you three pool, and sends seven cards to your ash heap. At least until you Liquidate your recursion engine. ;) Still, a single Inceptor can't compete with Dreams, Barrens, PB: LA, Specialization, Fragment of the Book of Nod and whatever else I can't think of right now.

suoli <suolir...@gmail.com> writes: > On 1 helmi, 11:56, h...@iki.fi (Janne Hägglund) wrote: > > Dasein <dasein2...@hotmail.com> writes: > > > Hang on. Is there some way this can be used in a twister deck? Dumping > > > three cards (four, including the Inceptor) out of your hands in your > > > master phase seems pretty hot for a deck that wants its library > > > depleted ASAP. What say the twister experts here? > > > > Way, way inferior to Liquidation, which does not need a suitable minion, > > gives you three pool, and sends seven cards to your ash heap. > > At least until you Liquidate your recursion engine. ;) That's why I play with three or four Waste Management Operations instead of one or two. :) And/or use the Liquidations with Ashur Tablets and a few Parthenons. > Still, a single > Inceptor can't compete with Dreams, Barrens, PB: LA, Specialization, > Fragment of the Book of Nod and whatever else I can't think of right > now. Agreed. HG

On Jan 24, 6:55 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > > >What if I have 3 keystone Kines on myinceptor, can i play it at all > >three disciplines? > > Now, this is an interesting question. In the earlier rulings, it's > combining two separate sources. This is mostly one source. > > We do know that such specials will function on dual-discipline cards if > you have the other discipline natively. > > My inclination would be to say "yes", but IANALSJ. > Was this ever answered decisively? It makes a difference for my Keystone Kine deck... =)

[ quoted text not captured ] and while we're at it, anyone know what an Inceptor is in the back story? -- salem

Salem wrote: > and while we're at it, anyone know what an Inceptor is in the back story? An Inceptor is a vampire who creates a new discipline. Traditionally, it referred to ancient vampires who founded the various clans and bloodlines (ie. Set is presumably the Inceptor for Serpentis). In this context, it refers to a 15th generation (thin-blooded) vampire who develops its own unique collection of powers (which it cannot pass on, being too thin-blooded to embrace).

[ quoted text not captured ] Cool, thanks! -- salem

James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >Salem <kell...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>What if I have 3 keystone Kines on my inceptor, can i play it at all >>three disciplines? > >Now, this is an interesting question. In the earlier rulings, it's >combining two separate sources. This is mostly one source. > >We do know that such specials will function on dual-discipline cards if >you have the other discipline natively. > >My inclination would be to say "yes", but IANALSJ. LSJ - can we get a clarification of this? [ quoted text not captured ]

On Mar 17, 4:36 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > >Salem <kella...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>What if I have 3 keystone Kines on my inceptor, can i play it at all > >>three disciplines? > > >Now, this is an interesting question. In the earlier rulings, it's > >combining two separate sources. This is mostly one source. > > >We do know that such specials will function on dual-discipline cards if > >you have the other discipline natively. > > >My inclination would be to say "yes", but IANALSJ. > > LSJ - can we get a clarification of this? Inceptor allows the vampire to play other copies of those cards as if xe had the Discipline required. One Keystone Kine, one Aid from Bats, and one Conditioning: you can play other copies as if you have the Discipline required. Three Keystone Kine: you can play other copies as if you have the Discipline required. No change.

[ quoted text not captured ] Clarification question: If 3rd tradition has inceptor and keystone kine, aid from bats and conditioning, 3rd may only play keystone at one discipline level at a time, or may use all three at a time?

On Mar 17, 1:59 pm, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Clarification question: > If 3rd tradition has inceptor and keystone kine, aid from bats and > conditioning, 3rd may only play keystone at one discipline level at a > time, or may use all three at a time? Inceptor only fakes one Discipline for the card play.